Webhostingstuff- 25 hosts exposed

My blog first started with a review of Webhostingstuff’s top 25 hosts.


As of last week I completed a review of all 25 hosts that pay webhostingstuff for their positioning.  I honestly had hoped to finish before the end of June.  But in the end I found there was a lot more to most of these hosts that I would have imagined.  Some of the most damming details came directly from the staff of the hosting companies.  Some took far deeper digging and rethinking of what to look for as it was not always the same with each host.

I wanted to prove that the hosts were not worthy of being in the top.  Little did I suspect that it was far worse then I first assumed, and perhaps I should have started this blog a lot sooner then when I did.  Even though its becoming growing knowledge that this company that claims:

Unlike some dubious “top 10 hosting sites” I7net that promote web hosts based on affiliate commissions, our fair and honest ranking system helps visitors find the real top web hosting companies.”

The same person that owns webhostingstuff.com, also owns hostaz.com a site that is based on Affiliate Commissions.  The name of the owner is Michael Low a resident of Singapore. Hostaz.com, webhostingstuff.com is based off of paid per rank.  Which is far worse then any top 10 thats based off of affiliate commission.

The summary that comes to mind with webhostingstuff

Some websites were put over night Ioxhost comes to mind

Two of the hosts were owned by the same company: Ipage and Fatcow.  Meaning I need to look further into The Endurance International Group, Inc.

There were a lot of hosts offering over the top affilate payments. ipage, fatcow, hostgator, site5,….. pretty much half the sites I reviewed.  Many whose own affiliates that drowned out negative feed back only to benefit the hosts.

Some are out of date in their design netmar, LFC hosting

Two hosts were not even worth the effort, Mochahost (terrible customer service behavior) and 2GB Hosting (7 day guarantee).

Is there any truth with webhostingstuff?

The one thing that I am almost certain they do not modify is the uptime monitoring.  With cloud.bg and i7net.net (not an actually May 2010 host, but June 2010),  Uptime which should have been a factor in rather a host belonged in thetop 25 position.   But even the uptime is suspect, as the hosts that had bad uptime are were lower levels of the top 25.  Perhaps future monitoring of their top 25 will tell me more.

Why do people still trust webhostingstuff?

This is almost like arguing with my mother, often when it comes to an argument such as gender is determined by the male of our species (go Y chromosome), she will quote some one she found on the internet as evidence that I am wrong.   Some reason those sayings my grandmother, her mother did not come to mind to her.  Buyer Beware, You get what you pay for, there is a sucker born every minute.  I guess you could say the pearls of wisdom jumped a generation.  But there are those out there that think of search engines as fact finders.  That is what webhostingstuff is counting on, and they think a few claims of being fair and honest are supposed to make up for the lack of truth.  But this is from the same company whose own interguity page:


They claim:

To build a fair and honest ranking system, ranking is always performed automatically by the system – free of human interference.

However just below that is the very sentence that tears apart that very statement:

Human editors are also needed to maintain the high level of integrity of our trusted reviews. Webmasters and system administrators are needed for the smooth running of this large site.

No matter what I do there will always be someone that trusts webhostingstuff regardless of what they do.  Needless to say I am not done, every new host that signs on to webhostingstuff is subject to my review.

ThePrimeHost, is theprimehost.com a flip flop?

ThePrimeHost,  number 25 of 25 for Webhostingstuff.com’s  May 2010 list and the finale host to review from this  list.  At this time they are no longer in the top 25 list.  The design of the site is fairly modern, but it seems cluttered.  There are too many graphics grabbing my attention.  What sticks out at first glance of their site is “Now hosting over 15,000 websites since 2001”.  That in my opinion is an honest statement.  But it leaves a lot of details out.  Is that total from 2001 to today, or is it current amount hosted?  15,000 websites is not 15,000 customers.  They after all offer reseller hosting.   Meaning they could have customers that have 1  or far more websites.  Ultimately the number of sites hosted is irrelevant compared to the number of customers.

ThePrimeHost where to start?

Looking through the site I find a lot of quirks.  There are lot of parts of the site that would make my business partner (the one in charge of every bit of sales text be it email or web sites) cringe.  The order form is drawn out through several pages, I often wonder if too many pages can detour someone from signing up for service.  Then any search engine results I  find have lots of positive reviews, yet there are people out there that claim that the reviews are fake.  Then there is an affiliate program thats disabled.

ThePrimeHost affiliate program

The affiliate system is very similar to those of hostgator, ipage, fatcow, bluehost, and others of its like where there is high payouts.  But for some reason they are stuck at 11,000 sites.  I find it odd that they are so far behind when they are older then many of those hosts that use this insane concept.  It works for these large scale “unlimited” hosts because they have ways of getting out of payments, and not everyone finds a host through their affiliates.   But it drives affiliates to promote the site for what in the end will be a big payout.  Not to mention the more pages that mention your url the better it works for a sites search engine results.   The essential problem with the hosting review industry is that people are promoting the high payouts as the best host regardless if they are not the best.   I tend to think that its no coincidence that they are no longer on Webhostingstuff’s top 25,  while ThePrimeHost’s affiliate sign ups have been disabled.

In regards to the term “Make Bank”, I think the urban dictionaries second defintion works out for this.


to extract as much money as possiable from a player at the poker table.

I slow played the nut flush cause I knew I would make bank on the river.

It appears they only tried one Google ad campaign:


I can tell you that it takes more then one month to make Google Ads payout.

ThePrimeHost reviews

Here is my problem with the reviews, first the below image is the reviews on their own site:

This is from their site: http://theprimehost.com/customertestimonials.html

The one thing I notice is there is only one website listed- mdpillstore.com, and the domain is expired.  Then there is a anonymous review.  I had one company where we asked for reviews, we required a first name and their website.  The encouragement was that they could get traffic from our site (afterwards the reviews came flying in).   The lack of websites from the reviews has me wondering if the people claiming “the postive ThePrimeHost reviews are false” may very well be right.

Finale Thoughts on ThePrimeHost

This is another host that while having some years in their belt, they haven’t quite figured out how to get their word out there.  They try one month of Google Adwords, and then stop.  They try webhostingstuff.com, despite the growing public knowledge that this review site is a scam, and quit.  They try what their bigger competitors do unethically and then suspend access to their affiliate program.   11,000 sites is not a lot, especially since they are running a reseller program.  While ThePrimeHost has been around a while they have not learned a sure fire method for bringing in and keeping customers.

Netmar, Is Netmar.com ready to take care of your future hosting needs?

Netmar, number 24 of 25 for Webhostingstuff.com’s  May 2010 list.  As of today they are now number 9.  So they are paying more for a better position in the Webhostingstuff listings.  Their design seems dated,  no telling when the last time the site had a face lift.  According to them they have been in business as of 1994, and the domain creation date backs them up on this.  But their about page makes me suspect that have not been in the webhosting as lon.


Netmar is wholly owned and operated by the Akinli family of Durham, NC. Established in 1994 as the company behind the Tarheel Mall, we quickly discovered that the online mall concept was not going to be around for long, and abandoned it in favor of straight website hosting

This is another company that I have to wonder when exactly they got into the webhosting business.  Like the last host I reviewed there is not alot of information on this host.  For that matter alot of hosts that do reviews have no reviews from this self proclaimed oldest host.


The oddest thing I found while looking for information on them:


Webhostingstuff’s information on Netmar

This time I started looking over the info on webhostingstuff in regards to Netmar.   While I am sure they erase the info that does not work in their favor they are sloppy in how they do it.   There is a lot of incriminating information that is often left behind.

One Netmar review sticks out

Looking at the reviews I can tell you they should not have a 5 star rating.

Some how with 6 reviews one “poor” review can not keep this host from being listed as anything less then 5 stars.  I also find it hard for this review to have 3 stars on tech support considering that is what this complaint is about.

Netmar uptime records with webhostingstuff.

Curiosly Netmar’s first review was August 15, 2006.  However their uptime records only go to Febuary 2010 of this year.

I suppose you might thing that webhostingstuff only keeps track of this much information on all hosts, but clearly not the case if you look at HostGator’s uptime.


Hostgator’s uptime history goes all the way back to September 2005.  I would expect that webhostingstuff would have tracked the uptime no later then Augusts 2006.

My Finale thoughts on Netmar

They have moved from the 24th to 9th position, but they appear to be behind the times.  It does not appear that they offer a ticket system.  When I first started it soon became apparent that support by email was not going to be effective.  We went to  a ticket system with in the first 3 months of operation.   This is a company that has no visible ticket system:


“At Netmar, we’ve put together a huge repository of online help, but of course, we’re still available to answer your phone calls and emails.”

A support ticket system allows for quality assurance.  For someone like me it allowed for efficient random checks on tickets to ensure that staff are doing their job or that customers are not abusing the system.

I don’t think based on the design of the site that the Netmar is capable of offering a serious hosting solution.

Steadfast Networks, will steadfast.net be a stable solution?

Steadfast Networks, number 22 of 25 for Webhostingstuff.com’s  May 2010 list.   I can’t say I like the design for this site as I am not sure it fits on the standard monitor.   When it comes to designing websites, I have always operated under the assumption that you want a site to fit left to right on the smallest common monitor.  I can’t minimize the browser on this site without parts of the right side of the site disappearing.

Is there dirt on Steadfast Networks?

There is not alot of dirt, for that matter I can not find much out about NoZone, Inc, let alone Steadfast Networks.  The review sites are out there.  But some have no reviews while others only have a few.

How old is Steadfast Networks?

By there own ommision:

Steadfast Networks is a fully owned subsidiary of NoZone, Inc., which was founded in August of 1998 by Karl Zimmerman and incorporated in the state of Wisconsin on October 18, 2000.


Regardless of when NoZone, Inc was founded. When was steadfast.net created?

Domain Whois record

Queried whois.internic.net with “dom steadfast.net”…

   Domain Name: STEADFAST.NET
   Registrar: ENOM, INC.
   Whois Server: whois.enom.com
   Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
   Name Server: NS10.STEADFAST.NET
   Name Server: NS11.STEADFAST.NET
   Name Server: NS12.STEADFAST.NET
   Name Server: NS13.STEADFAST.NET
   Name Server: NS14.STEADFAST.NET
   Status: clientTransferProhibited
   Updated Date: 08-jul-2010
   Creation Date: 04-jun-2006
   Expiration Date: 04-jun-2018

Webhostingstuff.com info:

Site Established: 4 Jun 2006 (4 years and 79 days ago)
Traffic Popularity: #103 of 10,289 companies

Is Steadfast Networks a green host?

Same old, same old.  There is nothing unique about their being green.  Its just more greenwashing.    They recycle “paper and cans”, they reuse parts.  But what about when the machines are no longer useful: We either find additional uses for them internally, strip them to re-use the parts individually, or donate them to charitable use. If you are aware of any charitable causes looking to take older computer hardware please contact us, as we’re always looking for more partners. They buy their carbon offsets from carbonfund.org.

Hostingsthatsuck says Steadfast Networks does not suck

It should be no surprise that Hostingsthatsucks (whom rarely profiles a host that sucks), thinks  that Steadfast.net does not suck.  Every site that I have reviewed on their listings have affiliate links, so its really not in their interests to look for dirt.  They claim to have only found three actually complaints about Steadfast Networks

Finale thoughts on Steadfast Networks

Frankly there is not enough info out there for Steadfast Networks.  In comparison with other companies that have been open for 2 – 4 years there are not a lot of relevant search engine results.

scalahosting – Is there dirt on scalahosting.com?

Scalahosting was number 21 of 25 for Webhostingstuff.com’s  May 2010 list. But now they are at 16.   The owner of the companies name is Vince Robinson.  But details are sketchy at best as there is not much to go on.  Sure there lots of positive reviews about scalahosting.   But I suspect there may be one too many positive reviews.  Especially after my last post on how to write reviews.

So why am I suspicous of the postive reviews about Scalahosting on Webhostingstuff.com?

A claim of housing 18,000 domains seems honest.  But it does not tell us how many customers they have.   Back when I first started I would say that was a lot of domains (1999 I was still buying domains at $70 from Network Solutions).   But towards 2005 it would seem far less as cheaper domain registers were popping up every where.   I had one customer that had over 400 domains all of which were for an affiliate system with Rexxal (atleast I think that was the company).  Scalahosting seems to have alot of postive reviews and very few negative.

A not so kind review about Scalahosting on webhostingtalk.com

It has to do with the webhostingtalk.com discussion.


Why might you ask does this review matter?  Because this is not the only place he tried to post a review:



I have not looked further because one of the problems I have had while searching for negative feed back is I get stuck in pop up hell and sites that change to something that is by no means ‘G’ rated.    But it stands to reason if he found these two sites and made a page dedicated to it on his site that he probable found webhostingstuff.com and other companies.  Frankly there seems be more information on review sites then any other sites

My Finale thoughts on Scalahosting

Its probable nothing, but Scalahosting is on the same network as webhostingstuff.com.


Here is an inhterview with the founder of Scalahosting Vince Robinson:


I admit there is not a lot of dirt on this company, and perhaps they deserve their postive feed back.   But I have to wonder about this one negative reviewer that seem to have a vendetta with this hosting company.  Why would he not find webhostingstuff.com to post a review there as well?

As long as Scalahosting shows in the top 25 hosting postions with webhostinstuff, I recommend caution.

iWeb Technologies Inc – If you host with iWeb.com will your email get through?

number 19 for May 2010 webhostingstuff is iWeb Technologies Inc.  Despite the massive amount of complaints I can find in regards to iWeb Technologies Inc they have moved from 19 to 15.  The first thing that comes to mind is iPad, iPod, and iMac.  But this site has nothing to do with with Apple.

Webhostingstuff.com’s ratings for iWeb Technologies

Despite averaging all 9 reviews I get the following rating from webhostingstuff.com:

Uptime and Reliability 4.22 out of 5
Technical Support 2.44 out of 5
Customer Service 2.56 out of 5

For some reason a 3 out of 5 star rating is enough to move from the 19th to 15th position.

How old is iWeb Technologies Inc?

This graphic sticks out:

Here is what iWeb Technologies Inc / iweb.com’s domain whois tells me:

   Updated Date: 23-oct-2009
   Creation Date: 29-mar-1999
   Expiration Date: 29-mar-2019

The creation date does not match the “since” year

iWeb Technologies Inc Awards

iWeb Technologies is another company that has an awards page with the review.  Like some of the hosts I have reviewed there is not link to the companies where they got the awards.


iWeb Technologies Inc, ca.tophost.com award

So far the only thing I can find on ca.tophost.com that leads to an award is something about 8th place


iWeb.com’s Web Hosting Magazine award

A pharagraph does not really sum up why they deserve an award in 2005


iWeb.com’s Webhosting Directories award

In a previous post I had explained that webhostdir.com had given an a review with out This review site never explains why someone gets an award.  For that matter I don’t see feed back from the people whose opinion matters, the customers.


My finale thoughts on iWeb Technologies Inc

When I do search for iWeb, I see a a lot of complaints.  But some of those complaints seem to be written by the same person.  Perhaps there are a lot of people with bad grammar / bad typing.  But one of the biggest complaints I see are in regards to spam, phishing, and spyware.  One example is:


At this time they have a 2 complaints with Spamhaus, the place they mention having an award with:

Found 2 SBL listings for IPs under the responsibility of iweb.com

SBL94865 iweb.com

13-Aug-2010 13:33 GMT
Snowshoe Spam Hosting (smtpd.brwmkt.com)
SBL94864 iweb.com

13-Aug-2010 13:25 GMT
Suspected Snowshoe Spam Range (EWMKT)

Chances are if you host with iWeb Technologies Inc, your email probable will not reach other networks.

Cloud.bg – is Cloud bg an International host of mystery?

8 more hosts to go with my May 2010 webhostingstuff list, which brings me to Cloud bg.  Cloud bg is a bit of an oddity out of all the webhostingstuff.com sites.  I say that because unlike the other 17 hosting companies, this company does not list the U.S. dollar (well it has a limited list).  The only site close to them is Ioxhost.uk.co, but they are an English company.  However unlike Cloud bg,  Ioxhost.uk.com has a web site for for the U.S.  I tend to think that Canada gets over looked in this market after all while they may be an English country, their currency does not have the same value as  the U.S. Dollar or the U.K. Pound.  Clearly their link with webhostinstuff.com was meant to target an English audiance as their link is http://www.cloud.bg/en/ .  When you go directly to http://www.cloud.bg, it  takes you to site in Bulgarian.  You have to click on the British Flag in order to get the site translated for you in English.

How long has Cloud bg been around?

Its a bit unclear, and frankly I don’t know how bg domains are handled.    After all you don’t see an approval date on. dot com’s.

Webhostingstuff.com has no idea how long Cloud bg has been around either:

Site Established: Unknown
Traffic Popularity: #909 of 10,291 companies

Despite dropping from 18 to 20, they have a traffic popularity of 909.

DOMAIN NAME: cloud.bg

requested on: 13/04/2009
processed from: 13/04/2009
activated on: 21/04/2009
expires at: 13/04/2011
domain status: Registered, conditional contract

If I am reading this correctly it appears the domain was created on April 21, 2010.    Not exactly a veteran company. This post might shed more light as to how long they have been around:


Cloud bg’s reviews on Webhostingstuff

What I find unique about Cloud Bg’s two reviews is the dates.

Cloud.Bg is the best solution! (Excellent)
– by Yulian (every.bg) on 19 May 2010

Cloud.bg – the best web hosting provider (Excellent)
– by Miroslav (mvvitanov.com) on 18 May 2010

What are the chances of only having two reviews just a day apart?

Does Cloud bg host every.bg?

No, despite having issues of trying to look at the who is info for this domain  I am able to look at the network info and I get the following:

netname:        SUPERHOSTINGBG
descr:          SuperHosting.BG Ltd
I can't confirm that they were ever with them, of if they recently changed their dns.

I wonder what the chances are of one review coming in one day after another.

Does Cloud bg host mvvitanov.com?

Yes, Cloud bg does host mvvitanov.com.  However the domain was registered this year.

Queried whois.internic.net with “dom mvvitanov.com”…

   Domain Name: MVVITANOV.COM
   Whois Server: whois.yoursrs.com
   Referral URL: http://www.realtimeregister.com
   Name Server: NS1.CLOUD.BG
   Name Server: NS2.CLOUD.BG
   Status: clientTransferProhibited
   Updated Date: 12-mar-2010
   Creation Date: 12-mar-2010
   Expiration Date: 12-mar-2011

Cloud bg’s up time for July 2010

There are two things I gather from this.  Its possible that Cloud bg has only been active as of February of this year, or they were not added to webhostingstuff.com until they started bidding for positioning in the top 25 spot.    That and perhaps every.bg is no longer hosting with Cloud bg because of this large amount of down time in May (26 hours)  and July (121 hours or 5 days of down time).    But last I checked every.bg is a single page website with what appears to be a under construction page / place holder (sorry I can not read Bulgarian).    The only post I can find in relation to any down time is:


From the sound of it, you would think they were down only three hours.

With in this post I find a link to the announcements, and I find three posts in July in regards to downtime.




But nothing in these announcements explains away the 7,249 minutes of downtime for July 2010 that webhostingstuff.com lists.  There is nothing at least in English that explains away what happen in May.

The Cloud bg affiliate program

When I look at their twitter and Facebook feeds:



I get the impression that they are paying out $152.50 per sale.

But you have to read in full http://www.cloud.bg/en/blog/cloud-affiliate-program-now-you-earn-more, to realize that its not every sale, and this depends on if the person actually signs up for the year.  I have no problem with them going from 18% to 20% on affiliate commissions.   But the tweet and Facebook update give an impression of fees of the other companies on the top 25 of webhostingstuff.com.

Finale thoughts on Cloud bg

Reading through their website I can tell that English is not their first language.  I know I am not one to talk as I don’t exactly go through my blog with a fine tooth comb, often I find myself coming in to correct what I put up.  But I am not trying to sell a service.  I have never been the person to put up sales material online.    There are a lot of details that bother me about Cloud bg, granted not as much as some of the others.