Webhostingstuff- 25 hosts exposed

My blog first started with a review of Webhostingstuff’s top 25 hosts.


As of last week I completed a review of all 25 hosts that pay webhostingstuff for their positioning.  I honestly had hoped to finish before the end of June.  But in the end I found there was a lot more to most of these hosts that I would have imagined.  Some of the most damming details came directly from the staff of the hosting companies.  Some took far deeper digging and rethinking of what to look for as it was not always the same with each host.

I wanted to prove that the hosts were not worthy of being in the top.  Little did I suspect that it was far worse then I first assumed, and perhaps I should have started this blog a lot sooner then when I did.  Even though its becoming growing knowledge that this company that claims:

Unlike some dubious “top 10 hosting sites” I7net that promote web hosts based on affiliate commissions, our fair and honest ranking system helps visitors find the real top web hosting companies.”

The same person that owns webhostingstuff.com, also owns hostaz.com a site that is based on Affiliate Commissions.  The name of the owner is Michael Low a resident of Singapore. Hostaz.com, webhostingstuff.com is based off of paid per rank.  Which is far worse then any top 10 thats based off of affiliate commission.

The summary that comes to mind with webhostingstuff

Some websites were put over night Ioxhost comes to mind

Two of the hosts were owned by the same company: Ipage and Fatcow.  Meaning I need to look further into The Endurance International Group, Inc.

There were a lot of hosts offering over the top affilate payments. ipage, fatcow, hostgator, site5,….. pretty much half the sites I reviewed.  Many whose own affiliates that drowned out negative feed back only to benefit the hosts.

Some are out of date in their design netmar, LFC hosting

Two hosts were not even worth the effort, Mochahost (terrible customer service behavior) and 2GB Hosting (7 day guarantee).

Is there any truth with webhostingstuff?

The one thing that I am almost certain they do not modify is the uptime monitoring.  With cloud.bg and i7net.net (not an actually May 2010 host, but June 2010),  Uptime which should have been a factor in rather a host belonged in thetop 25 position.   But even the uptime is suspect, as the hosts that had bad uptime are were lower levels of the top 25.  Perhaps future monitoring of their top 25 will tell me more.

Why do people still trust webhostingstuff?

This is almost like arguing with my mother, often when it comes to an argument such as gender is determined by the male of our species (go Y chromosome), she will quote some one she found on the internet as evidence that I am wrong.   Some reason those sayings my grandmother, her mother did not come to mind to her.  Buyer Beware, You get what you pay for, there is a sucker born every minute.  I guess you could say the pearls of wisdom jumped a generation.  But there are those out there that think of search engines as fact finders.  That is what webhostingstuff is counting on, and they think a few claims of being fair and honest are supposed to make up for the lack of truth.  But this is from the same company whose own interguity page:


They claim:

To build a fair and honest ranking system, ranking is always performed automatically by the system – free of human interference.

However just below that is the very sentence that tears apart that very statement:

Human editors are also needed to maintain the high level of integrity of our trusted reviews. Webmasters and system administrators are needed for the smooth running of this large site.

No matter what I do there will always be someone that trusts webhostingstuff regardless of what they do.  Needless to say I am not done, every new host that signs on to webhostingstuff is subject to my review.

I7NET, I7net.net is going going……. Gone!!!!

I7net was the host that I felt I should keep an eye on.  Because back in June 2010 they were number 25 on webhostingstuff.com.


I7net a review of an award winning hosting company that is no more

Today they are no longer on the top 25,  for that matter online,  Unless you count that apache page you get from cPanel. There is no site now taking business.  For those who doubted me about webhostingstuff faking the rankings, my proof is I7net.  For some reason they were in the top 25 of a company that claims:


Web Hosting Stuff uses a Quality Scoring method to rank hosting companies featured within each hosting category.

The Quality Score for each web host is calculated using realtime visitor statistics and other quality indicators.

By using quality indicators such as visitor statistics, the system is able to determine which web hosts visitors liked.

To build a fair and honest ranking system, ranking is always performed automatically by the system – free of human interference.

Unlike some dubious “top 10 hosting sites”  that promote web hosts based on affiliate commissions, our fair and honest ranking system helps visitors find the real top web hosting companies.

What did I miss on I7net last time?

I did not read the webhostingstuff uptime report for i7net, and clearly there was even more reason that this host should not be on top.  At the time webhostinstuff made it clear due to the rampant downtime they were no longer monitoring uptime prior to having them in the top 25.

Finale thoughts on I7net

This is a host that I add to a list of defunct hosts that were on webhostingstuff, hostdawgs.com is another defunct host that is no more.  I7net is just more growing proof that webhostingstuff is either idiots or frauds.  What host will be my next I7net?

ThePrimeHost, is theprimehost.com a flip flop?

ThePrimeHost,  number 25 of 25 for Webhostingstuff.com’s  May 2010 list and the finale host to review from this  list.  At this time they are no longer in the top 25 list.  The design of the site is fairly modern, but it seems cluttered.  There are too many graphics grabbing my attention.  What sticks out at first glance of their site is “Now hosting over 15,000 websites since 2001”.  That in my opinion is an honest statement.  But it leaves a lot of details out.  Is that total from 2001 to today, or is it current amount hosted?  15,000 websites is not 15,000 customers.  They after all offer reseller hosting.   Meaning they could have customers that have 1  or far more websites.  Ultimately the number of sites hosted is irrelevant compared to the number of customers.

ThePrimeHost where to start?

Looking through the site I find a lot of quirks.  There are lot of parts of the site that would make my business partner (the one in charge of every bit of sales text be it email or web sites) cringe.  The order form is drawn out through several pages, I often wonder if too many pages can detour someone from signing up for service.  Then any search engine results I  find have lots of positive reviews, yet there are people out there that claim that the reviews are fake.  Then there is an affiliate program thats disabled.

ThePrimeHost affiliate program

The affiliate system is very similar to those of hostgator, ipage, fatcow, bluehost, and others of its like where there is high payouts.  But for some reason they are stuck at 11,000 sites.  I find it odd that they are so far behind when they are older then many of those hosts that use this insane concept.  It works for these large scale “unlimited” hosts because they have ways of getting out of payments, and not everyone finds a host through their affiliates.   But it drives affiliates to promote the site for what in the end will be a big payout.  Not to mention the more pages that mention your url the better it works for a sites search engine results.   The essential problem with the hosting review industry is that people are promoting the high payouts as the best host regardless if they are not the best.   I tend to think that its no coincidence that they are no longer on Webhostingstuff’s top 25,  while ThePrimeHost’s affiliate sign ups have been disabled.

In regards to the term “Make Bank”, I think the urban dictionaries second defintion works out for this.


to extract as much money as possiable from a player at the poker table.

I slow played the nut flush cause I knew I would make bank on the river.

It appears they only tried one Google ad campaign:


I can tell you that it takes more then one month to make Google Ads payout.

ThePrimeHost reviews

Here is my problem with the reviews, first the below image is the reviews on their own site:

This is from their site: http://theprimehost.com/customertestimonials.html

The one thing I notice is there is only one website listed- mdpillstore.com, and the domain is expired.  Then there is a anonymous review.  I had one company where we asked for reviews, we required a first name and their website.  The encouragement was that they could get traffic from our site (afterwards the reviews came flying in).   The lack of websites from the reviews has me wondering if the people claiming “the postive ThePrimeHost reviews are false” may very well be right.

Finale Thoughts on ThePrimeHost

This is another host that while having some years in their belt, they haven’t quite figured out how to get their word out there.  They try one month of Google Adwords, and then stop.  They try webhostingstuff.com, despite the growing public knowledge that this review site is a scam, and quit.  They try what their bigger competitors do unethically and then suspend access to their affiliate program.   11,000 sites is not a lot, especially since they are running a reseller program.  While ThePrimeHost has been around a while they have not learned a sure fire method for bringing in and keeping customers.

Netmar, Is Netmar.com ready to take care of your future hosting needs?

Netmar, number 24 of 25 for Webhostingstuff.com’s  May 2010 list.  As of today they are now number 9.  So they are paying more for a better position in the Webhostingstuff listings.  Their design seems dated,  no telling when the last time the site had a face lift.  According to them they have been in business as of 1994, and the domain creation date backs them up on this.  But their about page makes me suspect that have not been in the webhosting as lon.


Netmar is wholly owned and operated by the Akinli family of Durham, NC. Established in 1994 as the company behind the Tarheel Mall, we quickly discovered that the online mall concept was not going to be around for long, and abandoned it in favor of straight website hosting

This is another company that I have to wonder when exactly they got into the webhosting business.  Like the last host I reviewed there is not alot of information on this host.  For that matter alot of hosts that do reviews have no reviews from this self proclaimed oldest host.


The oddest thing I found while looking for information on them:


Webhostingstuff’s information on Netmar

This time I started looking over the info on webhostingstuff in regards to Netmar.   While I am sure they erase the info that does not work in their favor they are sloppy in how they do it.   There is a lot of incriminating information that is often left behind.

One Netmar review sticks out

Looking at the reviews I can tell you they should not have a 5 star rating.

Some how with 6 reviews one “poor” review can not keep this host from being listed as anything less then 5 stars.  I also find it hard for this review to have 3 stars on tech support considering that is what this complaint is about.

Netmar uptime records with webhostingstuff.

Curiosly Netmar’s first review was August 15, 2006.  However their uptime records only go to Febuary 2010 of this year.

I suppose you might thing that webhostingstuff only keeps track of this much information on all hosts, but clearly not the case if you look at HostGator’s uptime.


Hostgator’s uptime history goes all the way back to September 2005.  I would expect that webhostingstuff would have tracked the uptime no later then Augusts 2006.

My Finale thoughts on Netmar

They have moved from the 24th to 9th position, but they appear to be behind the times.  It does not appear that they offer a ticket system.  When I first started it soon became apparent that support by email was not going to be effective.  We went to  a ticket system with in the first 3 months of operation.   This is a company that has no visible ticket system:


“At Netmar, we’ve put together a huge repository of online help, but of course, we’re still available to answer your phone calls and emails.”

A support ticket system allows for quality assurance.  For someone like me it allowed for efficient random checks on tickets to ensure that staff are doing their job or that customers are not abusing the system.

I don’t think based on the design of the site that the Netmar is capable of offering a serious hosting solution.

LFC Hosting, is lfchosting.com and outdated host?

LFC Hosting is number 23 of 25 for Webhostingstuff.com’s  May 2010 list.   As of today, their site is no longer on the top 25 list.   The domain was created in May 31, 1998.  I have to wonder if the design is the original that it had started with.  As much as it may seem pointless to bring up the design, I feel that the design is a sign of how much a company progresses.   I know not every host has their own design team, my own sites went through at least three changes a year.  Not to mention there were changes according to sales events, seasons, and holidays.  We were probable a little too excessive in our changes.  But things like Front Page extensions disappeared from offerings at least 5 years ago.  Things such as WordPress were taking center stage as their popularity advanced.  Clearly LFC Hosting site  is not up-to-date, and you have to wonder are the staff ready for todays hosting needs?     LFC Hosting seems stuck in the past, and I am willing to bet that this site design is at best 7 years old.

So what makes me think LFC Hosting site design has not updated since 2003?

From LFC Hosting main page I click on “Products and Services”, then click on “Hosting” It brings me to this long unnecessary sales spill about their use of Window 2003.  Here is the part that stuck out to me:

Although we run Windows 2003 in the foreground, over half of our networkis actually Linux. Windows 2003/IIS 6.0 servers are employed in theforeground to ensure optimal performance and stability of Windows capabilities (which typically only work well under Windows), as well as anincreased level of security over a single platform. Then, “redirectors”, router “port forwarding” and proprietary LFC technology “forward” all requests for Linux-specific technologies (ex: MySQL 5 databases) to the appropriate Linux server clusters in the background!

I have no idea what any of that means, perhaps because I am not a server tech (I started this business as a webdesigner so I am more of a graphics person). This pretty much looks like jibberish, and I would never have allowed a page like this to preceded access to the order form. I am also no expert on Windows hosting.  Most of my operations involved cPanel, Plesk, and bare bones Linux.  My preference is Plesk, while not user friendly it is far more stable then cPanel.  So I had to ask a friend that deals with Windows, and he tells me that 2003 is outdated and not supported by Microsoft, 2008 is the current version.  Which I had a feeling 2003 was outdated  as 7 years seems along time for software to last unless its with my parents or a video game.

Is LFC Hosting a stagnant host?

I think the answer to that is yes, while I am not sure how reliable Web-hosting-top.com is, but comparing Hostgator to LFC Hosting I see a huge difference between them.   Host Gator shows no lose in sites but rather gains, where as as LFC Hosting shows points where it was bleeding out sites.  It appears they have no more then 7000 domains.  Which tells me they have don’t have many customers.


compare to:


A attempted chat with LFC Hosting

Unfortunately as you can see no luck, instead I got the following:

No one was available when I tried to chat

Finale thoughts on LFC Hosting

The thought that goes through my head every time I form a business is that most die off before they reach their 5th year. LFC Hosting appears to be a site that has done just that, but only just barely.  It clings to life, even though it refuses to adapt to the market.   I have to wonder how long a host such as this can keep on going, and I will definatly have my eye on it.  Hopefully this post can encourage them to do something.   LFC Hosting should have used the money they used to get in Webhostingstuff”s top 25 for a new design.

Steadfast Networks, will steadfast.net be a stable solution?

Steadfast Networks, number 22 of 25 for Webhostingstuff.com’s  May 2010 list.   I can’t say I like the design for this site as I am not sure it fits on the standard monitor.   When it comes to designing websites, I have always operated under the assumption that you want a site to fit left to right on the smallest common monitor.  I can’t minimize the browser on this site without parts of the right side of the site disappearing.

Is there dirt on Steadfast Networks?

There is not alot of dirt, for that matter I can not find much out about NoZone, Inc, let alone Steadfast Networks.  The review sites are out there.  But some have no reviews while others only have a few.

How old is Steadfast Networks?

By there own ommision:

Steadfast Networks is a fully owned subsidiary of NoZone, Inc., which was founded in August of 1998 by Karl Zimmerman and incorporated in the state of Wisconsin on October 18, 2000.


Regardless of when NoZone, Inc was founded. When was steadfast.net created?

Domain Whois record

Queried whois.internic.net with “dom steadfast.net”…

   Domain Name: STEADFAST.NET
   Registrar: ENOM, INC.
   Whois Server: whois.enom.com
   Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
   Name Server: NS10.STEADFAST.NET
   Name Server: NS11.STEADFAST.NET
   Name Server: NS12.STEADFAST.NET
   Name Server: NS13.STEADFAST.NET
   Name Server: NS14.STEADFAST.NET
   Status: clientTransferProhibited
   Updated Date: 08-jul-2010
   Creation Date: 04-jun-2006
   Expiration Date: 04-jun-2018

Webhostingstuff.com info:

Site Established: 4 Jun 2006 (4 years and 79 days ago)
Traffic Popularity: #103 of 10,289 companies

Is Steadfast Networks a green host?

Same old, same old.  There is nothing unique about their being green.  Its just more greenwashing.    They recycle “paper and cans”, they reuse parts.  But what about when the machines are no longer useful: We either find additional uses for them internally, strip them to re-use the parts individually, or donate them to charitable use. If you are aware of any charitable causes looking to take older computer hardware please contact us, as we’re always looking for more partners. They buy their carbon offsets from carbonfund.org.

Hostingsthatsuck says Steadfast Networks does not suck

It should be no surprise that Hostingsthatsucks (whom rarely profiles a host that sucks), thinks  that Steadfast.net does not suck.  Every site that I have reviewed on their listings have affiliate links, so its really not in their interests to look for dirt.  They claim to have only found three actually complaints about Steadfast Networks

Finale thoughts on Steadfast Networks

Frankly there is not enough info out there for Steadfast Networks.  In comparison with other companies that have been open for 2 – 4 years there are not a lot of relevant search engine results.

Domain Registry of America – I suggest avoiding droa.com !!!SCAM!!! – !!!BEWARE!!!

I got a letter from Domain Registry of America today (droa.com) by snail mail.  Problem is they are not my register, as I own mine.  After all when you own as many domains as I do you want to try and get them as cheap as possible and $30 per domain per year is breaking the bank.   Last year my brother decided to do one of these renewals because he had forgotten what site his domain was registered with (which was the same as where I have my domains registered).   Last I checked he was still trying to transfer his domain away from this company.  I can some what understand customers forgetting who they got their domain through, but you would think family would be walking advertisements for a website with only 10 letters in it.  Especially when you give them free hosting.

Unfortuanly my scanner is not working so I could not get the best possible quality copies of the notice that Domains Registry of America sent me.  This will give you a rough idea of how small of print Registry of America used on their fine print on the back of the notice.

Here is what they sent me:

As a courtesy to the domain name holders, we are sending you this notfication of the domain name registers that are due to expire in the next few months.  When you switch to Domain Registry of America, you can take advantage of the best savings.  You will expire on January 5, 2011. Act today!

You must renew your domain name to retain exclusive rights to it on the web, and now is the time to transfer and renew your names from your current Register to the Domain Registry of America.  Failure to renew your domain name by the expiration date may result in a loss of your online identity making it difficultfor your customers and friends to locate you on the web.

Privatization of Domain Registrations and Renewals now allows the customer the choice of Registars when intially registering and also when renewing a domain name.  Domain name holders are not obligated to renew their domain with their current Register or with the the Domain Registry of America.  Review our prices and decided for your self.  You are under no obligation to pay the amounts stated below, unless you accept this offer. This Notice is not a bill. it is rather an easy means of payment should you decided to switch your domain registration to Domain Registry of America.

Here is the problems with this “notice from Domain Registry of America:

  1. Their offer is not going to be cheaper then most domain registers.
  2. There is nothing convenient about a mail in payment form.
  3. They are not clear about” not” being “your” register.
  4. There is no valid arguement to “You must renew your domain name to retain exclusive rights to it on the web, and now is the time to transfer and renew your names from your current Register to the Domain Registry of America.”. Why should you renew your domain with a register that costs 2 – 3 times of other providers.
  5. They use fear “Failure to renew your domain name by the expiration date may result in a loss of your online identity making it difficultfor your customers and friends to locate you on the web.”. I hope your friends can find you without a website, if you need a website for your friends to find you get a facebook.com account.

This notice is paper spam.

How did Domain Registry of America find me?

Most of the time I purchase Private Registration with all my domains, as I don’t really want people getting a hold of my contact details.    But I missed two domains and they found my contact in formation by trolling for whois info.  Next thing I know I get one of their postal mails that pretend to be my domain register.  The funny thing is with their over cost domain renewal they give you free private registration to prevent competitors from doing the same thing to them.

Is Domain Registry of America your domain registration company?

Chances are they are not your register, if you are I would suggest migrating.    Most companies charge less then $15.   Frankly I find that you can go below $10 on .com’s and get fairly good service.  But to be honest there is not a whole lot of service to ask for when it comes to a domain.  Private Registration is usually extra but still far below $30 for the domain and private registration.

How do you see if your domain is registered with Domain Registry of America?

Its pretty simple, often when my customer forgot who they registered their domain with I would go to http://centralops.net/co/DomainDossier.aspx enter the domain name and select “domain whois record”.  From there you can find your register.

As you can see I have private registration because their is no contact details and you can see this domain is registered with with GoDaddy(actually the only one that is).

How can you prevent companies that suck like Domain Registry of America from trying to take advantage of you?

Simple, get Private Registration on your domains.  Contact your domain register about getting this service some times free some times a couple bucks per year.   If your domain register does not offer Private Registration its time to move to a new register.

I can not stress it enough avoid Domain Registry of America

Its my opinion that Domain Registry of America is a scam,  it may be legal what they are doing because they have it listed some where in the really small fine print on the back of the billing notice they sent me.  But just because its legal does not make it ethical.   I suggest avoiding Domain Registry of America like the plague.

scalahosting – Is there dirt on scalahosting.com?

Scalahosting was number 21 of 25 for Webhostingstuff.com’s  May 2010 list. But now they are at 16.   The owner of the companies name is Vince Robinson.  But details are sketchy at best as there is not much to go on.  Sure there lots of positive reviews about scalahosting.   But I suspect there may be one too many positive reviews.  Especially after my last post on how to write reviews.

So why am I suspicous of the postive reviews about Scalahosting on Webhostingstuff.com?

A claim of housing 18,000 domains seems honest.  But it does not tell us how many customers they have.   Back when I first started I would say that was a lot of domains (1999 I was still buying domains at $70 from Network Solutions).   But towards 2005 it would seem far less as cheaper domain registers were popping up every where.   I had one customer that had over 400 domains all of which were for an affiliate system with Rexxal (atleast I think that was the company).  Scalahosting seems to have alot of postive reviews and very few negative.

A not so kind review about Scalahosting on webhostingtalk.com

It has to do with the webhostingtalk.com discussion.


Why might you ask does this review matter?  Because this is not the only place he tried to post a review:



I have not looked further because one of the problems I have had while searching for negative feed back is I get stuck in pop up hell and sites that change to something that is by no means ‘G’ rated.    But it stands to reason if he found these two sites and made a page dedicated to it on his site that he probable found webhostingstuff.com and other companies.  Frankly there seems be more information on review sites then any other sites

My Finale thoughts on Scalahosting

Its probable nothing, but Scalahosting is on the same network as webhostingstuff.com.


Here is an inhterview with the founder of Scalahosting Vince Robinson:


I admit there is not a lot of dirt on this company, and perhaps they deserve their postive feed back.   But I have to wonder about this one negative reviewer that seem to have a vendetta with this hosting company.  Why would he not find webhostingstuff.com to post a review there as well?

As long as Scalahosting shows in the top 25 hosting postions with webhostinstuff, I recommend caution.

How to write host reviews to achieve the maximum effect be it positive or negative

While in the progress of working on the 21st host of May 2010, I start with looking at host reviews.   I happen to find a review about Scalahosting.com on webhostingtalk.com, He claims it sucks and its fraud.  I decided to ask for what no one else was asking for.  That was documentation (chat sessions, email, support tickets).  Instead the moderator wanted to wait for the host to chime in, which it never did.     What I did not notice was the reviewer’s access was suspended.  No reason was given.   The post was soon locked out.    But clearly everyone but the reviewer was playing advocate for Scalahosting.com.

I have a problem with this because no reason was given for suspending the access of the poster, and some one who did not work for the host some how knew the situation.  Even though his information on the situation was limited at best.  But I think he could have gotten his point through on the first post before they locked him out.

So many Host Reviews, so little to work with

Over the last few months I have read a lot of reviews.  Most of the comments I read through I did not bother to use, even though they were leaning towards my desired goal.  Obviously I was  looking for negative feed back.  One end of the spectrum someone would say a site sucked and provide little to back it up.   Then there were people that would tell you they just signed up with a host and it was great,  frankly I think they needed to wait till the end of the guarantee before commenting.    Rarely have I found reviews on either side of the spectrum that got my attention.    But here is my idea of what would be hard to avoid and get your point across, even if they decide to suspend your access.

What I recommend not doing when writing host reviews

For Negative host reviews

  • Don’t go anonymous, you will get more mileage out of your review if you disclose what site was involved with the host you are complaing about.
  • Don’t get an user id called (host name) sucks, (host name) fraud, (host name) anything.  Doing so just makes you look like your out for revenge and may just a be a disgruntle customer.
  • Avoid using vulgar language.
  • Avoid using the words scam and/or fraud.   Most times what people label as a scam or fraud were covered under the terms of service.   Like shutting your site down.   I think this was the reason the above poster had his access shut off.

For Positive Host Reviews

  • Don’t go anonymous, you will get more mileage out of your review if you disclose what site was involved with the host you are complaing about.  Yes its a repeat, but that does not make it any less effective.
  • Avoid writing host reviews until your guarantee period expires, depending on the host its usually 30 days.   Things could go wrong and you may have a hard time removing your endorsement from the site you put it on.

What has to be in the host reviews

Being a vegan, it might be weird for me to say but make sure there is some meat to you review.  Simple saying “x host” sucks, or” x host” is great is not much to a review.  For that matter they tell people nothing as to why or why not they should buy hosting.

For Negative host reviews

If you have a complaint provide copies of the email, chat, or ticket.   This is why I hate dealing with people by phone, unlike the other methods unless I record the call there is not much proof with phone conversations.   Its harded to be discredited if you have documentation to back your complaints.  If there is alot of documentation consider hosting it on your site and provide links to it.

For Positive host reviews

Give the reasons for why you choose this company.  Perhaps you joined them because of a control panel like Plesk.  Simple saying that the company has great support with out examples is just like saying “its a deal, just trust me”.

By no means is this a complete concept, but its what I see missing  in reviews.  Written properly your host reviews will be worth the effort be they positive or negative.