Webhostingstuff.com, not every host that was a top host survives.

Webhostingstuff.com has been the focal point of this blog at several points in the last few years. They claimed to be a place for fair and honest hosting reviews. However Webhostingstuff.com has been a shinnying example of everything that is wrong with the hosting review industry. But I have reached the point that I feel like I am beating a dead horse, if not a dying horse. Unless somehow webhostingstuff.com manages to reinvent itself in a way that revives it this is the last post to pick apart their methods.

So far the only change webhostingstuff.com has been capable of is remaking the so called top 25 list into something that is cumbersome. It no longer starts on the main page of webhostingstuff.com.  You have to actually look for it among a list of items for “best hosts”.  Than you only get to see 5 of the some 23 – 29 Best Hosts. Anyone wanting to see the next 5 Best Hosts would have to scroll down past “Show me more Hot Deals …” link.  Where there were 10 hosts to past.  To find “Next  >>>”, and without clicking next I would have no way of knowing that that is how I get more “Best Hosting”.  Which is why since April 2010 my posts on webhostingstuff.com have been far less.  Anyone past the firth position was not going to get their money worth.

On top of that, right now I cannot access their site.  Because one too many inquires triggers an IP block. Never mind that real people in need of hosting may be researching multiple hosting companies to find the right one.

Then there was the original fair and honest ranking webhostingstuff.com page had this:

To build a fair and honest ranking system, ranking is always performed automatically by the system – free of human interference.

Not far into the whole spill about honesty, they lay down the justification for the advertising they offer. Advertising that I have yet to see.

Human editors are also needed to maintain the high level of integrity of our trusted reviews. Webmasters and system administrators are needed for the smooth running of this large site.

No surprise but that wording is no longer there.

I was going to do several posts on hosts that closed up shop or switched gears. But that seemed long, tedious, and boring (remember I have ADD). But I am going to boil it down into one post. After which my next post is going to deal with what a lot of people have been asking me since my mindshark.ca posts, and that is how to find a seo expert. So one post that focuses on the closures (or switch from hosting to something else).

Why hosting-reviews-exposed.com became a blog and focused on webhostingstuff.com

The very issue that started this site to have a blog was a host called hostdawgs.com. Another host that had watched my video decided to track one month of top 25 hosts that appeared on webhostingstuff.com (it was either 2008 or 2009), a few months after they posted their finding hostdawgs.com a host that appeared on that so called top 25 list at webhostingstuff.com was out of business.  Clearly there were some obvious kinks in webhostingstuff.com’s armor.

Into my second month blogging I found i7net.net on webhostingstuff.com

What could be worse than a host that went out of business mere months after appearing on webhostingstuff.com’s top 25?

How about a host that was not online at any point when I found it on the top 25 list (from June – November 2010) of when I was doing reviews. Between the 21 – 25 positions.  Never mind the worst part was webhostingstuff.com clearly indicated they had 72.62% uptime, and had stopped tracking uptime in July 2009. Which means it had been offline longer than a year.

I emailed Michael Low of webhostingstuff.com in June 2010 about what I had found. It took him until December 2010 to do something. Which was to remove i7net from webhostingstuff.com’s data base.

I7net.net became the keystone in my argument against webhostingstuff.com.  Which can be found at:

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/webhostingstuff-com/webhostingstuff-com-a-rigged-contest.html

The other “top” webhostingstuff.com hosts that went offline or are out of the hosting business:

Since my 10looniehost.ca post  about them forgetting to renew their domain (who last I checked was still a best host) I figured I would look and see who else on webhostignstuff.com’s top 25 list was offline.

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/webhostingstuff-com/10looniehost-ca-is-offline-and-perhaps-out-of-business.html

These were hosts I found between May 2010 – April 2011. I did not track any that entered into the top deals or best host lists.  Because out of 64 hosts, I found a lot of flaws. Some of which I am amazed they are still online

Firedragonhosting.com – Former Webhostingstuff.com top host – Status *Unknown*

When I first reviewed this host (May 2010), it appeared that it was some messed up Godaddy.com Wild West reseller. By which I mean it appeared the owner of the site was purchasing what people ordered through his reseller account.  If you know as much as I do about Wild West Domains, its illogical. With Wild West Domains your job is to maintain the main site, while working on means to bring in traffic. I know a lot of people that are pretty good with their program. But this guy seems to have a separate order form, where after you order he goes to the reseller and orders what you ordered.  Plus on top of that he is going to have to offer support for a reseller account that is supposed to do the support for you.

He also charged $49.95 to set up WordPress and $9.95 a month for what is essentially a free very easy to set up program.

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/webhostingstuff-com/firedragonhosting.html

I know that the domains are under a reseller account because the register shows me Wild West Domains, which is a godaddy.com reseller program.  On top of that most of the domains in this sites reviews were under the name of the owner. Plus hosting was on Godaddy.com’s servers.

Keep in mind I think it is a very bad idea to keep your domain with your hosting company.  However what is worse is letting a hosting provider register a domain for you, and keep it under their name. Webhostingstuff.com was supposed to have a policy of not allowing Wild West Resellers from registering as a host in their system.  Webhostingstuff.com placed it in the top 25, it was number 23 when I reviewed it.

When you goto fire dragonhosting.com there is no product page. It appears to be a login page. I see the ability to order, but I get this message when I click on the order link:

Filling out the order form does not guarantee you hosting on my servers

So they might as well be closed.

Topgreenhost.com – Former Webhostingstuff.com top host – Status *Closed*

There is not much to add here, other than I have control over topgreenhost.com, and if you type that domain in you will see my first post on this former webhostingstuff.com top host.

Yaspe.net – Former Webhostingstuff.com top host – Status *Unknown*

October 2010 was when I first found Yaspe.net on webhostingstuff.com’s so called top host list. At the time they claimed to have 20,000 customers. The problem with that was their Alexa score did not validate that.  Yaspe.net was at 1,812,782 with Alexa in October 2010, and as of today it is at 12,348,306. Keep in mind low numbers are good with Alexa and high numbers are bad.  The traffic stats did not back up a claim of 20,000 clients.  At 12,348,306 they may have one visitor a day.

So far yaspe.net devolved into what I can only assume is a web design contact form.  The banner on the bottom goes to securedservers.com, which Alexa says country with the top traffic is China (42,600).  They offer a $75 per sign up or 10% monthly reoccurring payment.

I think it is safe to assume yaspe.net is out of the hosting business.

Aquariusstorage.com – Former Webhostingstuff.com top host – Status *acquired*

“As of June 2012, all Aquarius Storage operations are now officially part of DJAB Hosting.”

This host was recently acquired by djabhosting.com. Which does not offer unlimited hosting, so I have to wonder how the unlimited customers transferred over. At best from what http://web.archive.org tells me, they came online December 2008.

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/webhostingstuff-com/aquariusstorage.html

Webhostingstuff.com, where awards are bought

To me one of the prerequisites to being a top host is the ability to stand the test of time.  In some cases hosts have not even had to be online to be a best host at webhostingstuff.com (10looniehost.ca and i7net.net), others did not even have to be online a month (Hostinglocker.com).  I have hosts like KVChosting.com that tell me that they are paying for advertising.  Advertising is really hard to find on Webhostingstuff.com. But it is really easy to find hosts that did not earn the right to be called a best host or top deal on webhostingstuff.com. Hosts that have no reviews, little to show for experience. Webhostingstuff.com is too lazy to even fabricate a fake review for the new comers or slow to take off hosts.

Can Webhostingstuff.com evolve? I don’t think webhostingstuff.com can, and if they do it will not be anything in the realm of ethics.

Topgreenhost.com – Out of Business, but Greengeeks.com is still here

Topgreenhost.com joins a special  list of hosts that were previously top 25 hosts at webhostingstuff.com. What makes topgreenhost.com unique is that it has been offline most of the year; at least topgreenhost.com was offline till two days ago.

When I first seen Topgreenhost.com I found they had a connection to greengeeks.com due to a similar set of IPs, and they both shared the same EPA certification.  I thought at the time that Greengeeks.com created topgreenhost.com due to competition within the so called unlimited space market.  At the time Topgreenhost.com had  it at $2.99 and greengeeks.com had their unlimited plan at $4.95. When a plan offers unlimited resources there is not much wiggle room in making the point that your hosting package is better than a company like hostgator.com. So the only thing left to do is offer the package for cheaper. Which is problematic with all the previous customers that signed on to this so called unlimited plan. Especially when they paid $24 more a year for the same plan new customers come onto.  Never mind Topgreenhost.com, greengeeks.com, hostgator.com, and every other host that offers unlimited space have a magic number where they cut you off. For hosts like topgreenhost.com this is about profit.  Which really why else would anyone want to run a hosting company?

I decided that after my review on 10looniehost.ca that I should look back and see who was out of business and who was still active. This week I explore former top 25 webhostingstuff.com hosts.  Between May 2010 to April 2011 I reviewed 64 hosts. Topgreenhost.com among a few others are either doing something else or are offline. After posts on these former top 25 hosts of webhostingsuff.com I have no future plans on new posts related to this so called hosting review site. Unless they do something drastic there is not much point focusing on webhostingstuff.com.  For over 2 years I have seen little else that I could cover. The most drastic change last year was to make the top 25 into something far less convenient for anyone that pays for this so called “advertising” to be in either “Today’s Hot Hosting Deals” or “Top Best Hosting”.

The hosts like topgreenhost.com that did business with webhostingstuff.com are another story.

Topgreenhost.com is not the first host to go out of business after appearing on webhostingstuff.com top 25.

Hostdawgs.com and i7net.net are on that list.

Hostdawgs.com was found by another hosting company that had decided to do what I should have done and actually see who was on the top 25 list. Mere months after their first post, Hostdawgs.com was offline. That was part of what drove me to look further into who was buying “advertising” with webhostingstuff.com. Just to be clear “advertising” does not have the same definition as the ads you see on this site.  The 1 – 25 position was/is for sale to the highest bidder.

I found i7net.net a month after I had started the blog for this site. It was the proverbial canary in the coal mine that had been dead far before I ever decided to look into hosts that appeared in the top 25. They were my biggest argument for webhostingstuff.com being rigged. Webhostingstuff.com  was  to sloppy to even bother to monitor what was going on.

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/webhostingstuff-com/webhostingstuff-com-a-rigged-contest.html

Never mind Webhostingstuff.com claimed it was a top host, i7net.net wasn’t even online for months at a time. Webhostingstuff.com’s own uptime records for i7net.net indicated just as much. Yet that did not stop it from being off and on the list between positions 21 – 25 from June through November 2010. The truth about what was really going on could not be any more blatant.  By December 2010 Webhostingstuff.com must have either finale got around to fixing the problem, read my email to them, or their customers were letting Michael Low know how bad this made them look. As you can no longer find i7net.net on webhostingstuff.com’s directory. Soon Topgreenhost.com will be deleted out as well.

Topgreenhost.com had no reviews on webhostingstuff.com

Webhostingstuff.com claims that the ranking is based off of:

WebHostingStuff ranks web hosts using WHSRank™ – a powerful ranking algorithm that ranks web hosting companies based on the quality of services they had provided to REAL customers.

The main engine behind WHSRank™ are the verified customer reviews published on WebHostingStuff. WHSRank™ uses these customer reviews to calculate a quality score for each web host.

When customers write their reviews, they are asked to rate web hosts based on service quality factors like:

  • Uptime and service reliability
  • Technical support
  • Customer service

WHSRank™ uses these quality signals to calculate the quality score for each web host. Other quality signals used by the WHSRank™ algorithm include uptime performance.

Topgreenhost.com had no reviews with webhostingstuff.com, so how could it be on the list? I can tell you now topgreenhost.com was not the only one. Some on the top 25  had low review scores some as low as two stars.

So how do I know topgreenhost.com is out of business?

All you have to do is type in topgreenhost.com to your browser and see where it goes. It goes to the first post that I made on this host. Which can only mean one thing I have control of the domain. A friend of mine bought the domain, as he thought it should redirect to my first post on topgreenhost.com.

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/webhostingstuff-com/topgreenhost.html

Topgreenhost.com appears based on Webhostingstuff.com’s uptime records that the site went offline in December 2011, and based off the whois record I have a copy of, I assume greengeeks.com let the domain expire in March 2012.

I made copies of everything that webhostingstuff.com had on topgreenhost.com.

So who else will join Topgreenhost.com as a former best host of webhostingstuff.com that closed up shop?

 

10looniehost.ca – You’re on the Best Host list for webhostingstuff.com, but something is wrong!!!

10looniehost.ca found its way back on my blog last month because they let their domain expire. I assumed that they would not come back online, but I was wrong.  I have no problem admitting I am wrong.  I did not expect that 10looniehost.ca would be back online. However I had details on my iPad that I had over looked, if I had I would have known that 10looniehost.ca was very likely to come back online.

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/webhostingstuff-com/10looniehost-ca-is-offline-and-perhaps-out-of-business.html

Back when 10looniehost.ca was down I decided to take a look at what Webhostingstuff.com top 25 devolved into, and that is a “Best Hosting” list. I also wanted to see where another host called kvchosting.com was. As a rep from Kvchosting.com came on my site to discredit someone with a negative review. At the same time Kvchosting.com joins the list of hosts that claim to be buying “advertising”. More on that in an upcoming post.

I took screen shots of every host that appeared on webhostignstuff.com’s so called “Best Hosting” list.  10looniehost.ca was in the 16th spot when I wrote my last post and before they came back online. Today they are in the 9th spot. Though keep in mind there is no number by 10looniehost.ca. Simply 5 hosts per page in the “Best Hosting” category. So I am assuming since 10looniehost.ca is 9th since it appeared on the second page for “Best Hosting” 4th result.  Interestingly enough there were 26 “Best Hosts” in August but only 23 in September. Perhaps their pay per click (PPC ) ran out.

Webhostingstuff.com changed from a top 25 list last year.

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/webhostingstuff-com/webhostingstuff-com-the-end-of-the-top-25-as-it-was.html

Before April 2011 the so called “top” 25 hosts appeared on three pages starting from the front page. I found less reason to review and find kinks in the armor of hosts that paid for this position. Mostly because the only hosts that might get their moneys worth were the first 5 hosts. Despite no longer being on the front page any more. After the front page anyone wanting to see the next 5 Best Hosts would have to scroll down past “Show me more Hot Deals …” link.  Where there were 10 hosts to past.  Even on a screen like mine where I work from a 22 inch wide screen I don’t see the “Next  >>>”, and without clicking next I would have no way of knowing that that is how I get more “Best Hosting”.  I have to wonder what the likely hood is for someone finding 10looniehost.ca on the second page of results let alone the forth page.

But that begs another question about the “Hot Deals” list. Could that be a separate list that is also paid for? There are defiantly more hosts in the “Hot Deals” list than there are on the “Best Hosts”. I know at one point I got affiliate cookies for Hostgator.com, though after I did my post on that webhostingstuff.com quickly removed the affiliate cookie. Something I will have to look again later. But as far as I can tell 10looniehost.ca has no affiliate program.

7 days down is an eternity for 10looniehost.ca

Never mind how irresponsible it was for 10looniehost.ca to not renew their domain. There were repercussions. 10looniehost.ca’s search engine results went in the toilet. Granted I have no idea what their traffic stats were before. But 10looniehost.ca’s Alexa rank is at 6,420,431. As mentioned many times before when it comes to Alexa you want a lower number. Hosting-reviews-exposed.com is currently at: 125,674.  Through my own domain register, I sell .ca domains for $12.99 a year.  I am certain the loss of a domain over 7 days will cost 10loonie.ca more in what a domain costs.

In a month I will try and see where 10looniehost.ca are with their Alexa score and post below in the comments.

So what happens when you click on a link on webhostignstuff.com to 10loonie.ca?

Click on any link to 10loonie.ca and webhostingstuff.com redirects to a notice stating:

I get this message anytime I try to click on a link that should take me directly to 10looniehost.ca. As long as webhostingstuff.com does this it makes “advertising” totally ineffective for 10looniehost.ca. I have to ask what company would want to pay for that? After all it says 10looniehost.ca has expired, but look at these other hosts that you can try instead of 10loo niehost.ca. You click on the up time for 10looniehost.ca and you get:

Is 10looniehost.ca down?

No 10 looniehost.ca came up the day after I did my post on their domain being offline.  Amazingly it happen right after the one person that I could find an active site with 10looniehost.ca. Whom happen to post a comment, yet give me no follow up to any of the questions I asked via email or my 10loonie.ca post. I wanted to know how long they had a hosting plan with 10looniehost.ca.

While 10looniehost.ca is no longer being tracked by webhostingstuff.com this site will be monitoring the uptime for 10looniehost.ca as I just added their site on my Pingdom account and you can see uptime here:

Uptime Report for 10looniehost.ca: Last 30 days

Also if you follow me on twitter @hostingscams notices will be sent if 10looniehost.ca ever goes offline again and if 10looniehost.ca comes back up there will be a notification for that as well.

Chances are after posting this, webhostingstuff.com might resume their uptime monitoring of 10looniehost.ca.

So why the heck a third post on 10looniehost.ca

Really this post is less a bout 10looniehost.ca than it is about webhostingstuff.com. First this host was in the top 25 back when it was first starting:

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/webhostingstuff-com/10looniehost-ca.html

Than as my last post stated 10looniehost.ca lost their domain for at least 7 days.  While at the same time being on webhostignstuff.com’s 16th position for “Best Host”. The fun fact is webhostingstuff.com validates what I am saying. They still list them as a Best Host, never mind they no longer track their up time. Never mind that you cannot click on any link to 10looniehost.ca on webhostingstuff.com and be brought to 10looniehost.ca.  Yet while there is no uptime checks, and no way of clicking on a link to take you to 10loonie.ca. Webhostingstuff.com says that 10looniehost.ca is the 9th “Best Host”.

10looniehost.ca is another reason you cannot trust webhostignstuff.com.

10looniehost.ca is offline, and perhaps out of business

10looniehost.ca appeared on this site because they were on webhostingstuff.com’s so called top 25 list. But another detail that interested me back when I did my review about this company was everything indicated that they had just started up. Between webhostingstuff.com just starting to track their uptime to their alexa score. Some how just by starting up they had won the right to be called a top 25 host. However the nature of webhostingstuff.com is not that of an unbiased customer advocacy group, but a pay to play Business model.

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/webhostingstuff-com/10looniehost-ca.html

In short they paid to be called a top host. They did not earn the title. Where is the proof you might ask? How do I know that webhostingstuff.com is hoax?

This post explains a little of what I found over a year of reviewing so called top 25 hosts:

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/webhostingstuff-com/webhostingstuff-com-a-rigged-contest.html

So why a renewed interest in 10looniehost.ca?

Last week someone posted a comment on my blog indicating that 10looniehost.ca was offline. According to the Whois the domain expired back in July, and based off the update I think it is safe to say 10looniehost.ca went offline on August 7, 2012.

As the whois indicats that there was update on August 7, 2012 to 10looniehost.ca’s whois information.

At first webhostingstuff.com said that they would update the 10looniehost.ca’s uptime when they came back up.

After 5 days webhostingstuff.com stop tracking the down time for 10looniehost.ca.

I wanted to wait a few days to see if 10looniehost.ca would come back up, as this is not the first host I have been told was offline and out of business. But none of those had an expired domain and soon were up after a few hours or even a few days.

I realize 10looniehost.ca is the first host out of the some 60 I reviewed on webhostingstuff.com to go offline. One host does not equal a disaster but this is not the first host with problems that were called a top host. But it is one in many that form a pattern in hosts that were not vetted to be a top host. 10looniehost.ca was defiantly not a time tested solution at less than a month online there was no way of telling how reliable they would be.

Yesterday I contacted one of the two customers that left a review at webhostingstuff.com. I was unable to reach the other as they have no contact details on the Whois info, and their site is offline. The customer I was able to contact said their site was still hosted with 10looniehost.ca. That he was not aware that 10looniehost.ca was offline. He also said over all he was happy over all with the service. Both accounts appear to have been on the same network as they both share dns with the same domain name. yet slightly different dns. Which means the other customer did not pay or continue their hosting, or 10looniehost.ca let the server that account was on lapse.

I have contacted the original the person who had originally contacted me from 10looniehost.ca but I do not believe he will respond. As always 10looniehost.ca and any host are always allowed to post comments on post relevant to their company. I will not delete or modify comments even if requested so please think before you post.

Personally I do not think that 10looniehost.ca will be back online.

Webhostingstuff.com – The end of the Top 25……. as it was.

Back in April 2011 I missed it where webhostingstuff.com changed their front page layout.  I found out just a few hours after doing a post on winhost.com.  Winhost.com was clearly not happy about me talking about their relationship with webhostingstuff.com.  A discussion that pretty amounted to “what top 25 list?”.   Which lead me to get someone to get me a screen shot to see what was going on, after all webhostingstuff.com was still blocking me.   Everyone that did screen shots for me told me the same thing,  the top 25 was gone.

For the full discussion with winhost.com:

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/webhostingstuff-com/winhost-com.html

Got to love it when a host tries to do a rebuttal without any proof they are right.  For some reason I am not allowed an opinion, but hosts like this are allowed to do business with sites that claim they are one of the best hosts without any actually use. Regardless of the whole “what top 25 list”,  I have tons of screen shots that showed there was one, and I offered to send winhost.com the unedited ones.  I don’t post full screen shots of webhostinstuff.com for a very good reason.  There is a lot of blank space on the bottom of their site.  Below is an example.  Perhaps I am guessing they want to give you a spot to make notes if you print it out, that is if you can get past the blocking.

Per usual when I asked for where the ppc (pay per click) was located the discussion ends rather quickly.  At first I was told  it was like Google, though if it was I would be able to see where the ppc was.  Interestingly enough you browse through webhostingstuff.com enough you will find Google Adsense.  Which is a bit odd that they participate with Google’s ppc while having their own so called ppc system.

Webhostingstuff.com claimed:

We are Show casing 25 of the best web hosting companies from our directory of 16,654 web hosting providers.

Never mind that webhostingstuff.com has never from all the sites I have seen owned by Michel Low used any of the hosts that appear in the top 25.   As Softlayer seems to be the only host that webhostingstuff.com trusts for their hosting needs. So now the list is gone…….. Well gone if you consider not refabricating the system into something else.  However I feel what Micheal Low has done will hamper hosts ability to have effective so called PPC, or as Jixhost.com put it advertising. Which is interesting as I thought the point of advertising was to reach as many people as possible, like the ads you see around this post.   With the new system where it winhost.com appeared on 10th spot so it was on the first page.  Under the new system its on 5th page.  As it appears there is three hosts per Never mind the chance to be blocked if you do too much research.   You buy from those ads I get paid,

Before

After

In addition to changing how the top 25 works, categories have been added such as type of host and a few countries.  It seems like a half hearty attempt to deal with other countries as opposed to a focus on U.S. hosts.  Though it ultimately ignores several countries that are growing in their need for hosting.

I have to say that this is a victory in a minor sense.  But then again the increase in blocking is a victory.

Since November 2007 I have trying to disprove the ranking from from webhostingstuff.com, this is the claim is

HOW does WebHostingStuff rank web hosts?

WebHostingStuff ranks web hosts using WHSRank™ – a powerful ranking algorithm that ranks web hosting companies based on the quality of services they had provided to REAL customers.

The main engine behind WHSRank™ are the verified customer reviews published on WebHostingStuff.WHSRank™ uses these customer reviews to calculate a quality score for each web host.

When customers write their reviews, they are asked to rate web hosts based on service quality factors like:

  • Uptime and service reliability
  • Technical support
  • Customer service

WHSRank™ uses these quality signals to calculate the quality score for each web host. Other quality signals used by the WHSRank™ algorithm include uptime performance.

So how is it that i7net was on the list, as well as other hosts that had no reviews get on this top 25 list if they don’t have any of these factor?  Many of the hosts that appeared on that list had:

  • Unsatisfactory reviews
  • downtime
  • no reviews
  • just started

Which is still going on, but the new system only encumbers those that bid for top spots.

Endurance International Group is back on Webhostingstuff.com?

I suspect even though there is one host (ssa host) on the new front page that is clearly not a top host.   Most of the host that appear on the main page have a decent to high pay out affiliate program.   I believe that the Endurance International Group hosts are only back up on webhostingstuff.com because they are up for affiliate commissions.   Since I am blocked from my home its just a theory as I am unable to actually see if any cookies are put in my browser.  I have long suspected the only reason Hostgator.com has been on this list is because webhostingstuff.com is a affiliate and is not getting paid for the so called ppc system.

Webhostingstuff.com is no longer my main focus, but that does not mean there will not be random reviews.

As I stated in my last article, webhostingstuff.com has some pretty serious search engine ranking.   More people may know what they are up to, but there are still many that do not.  Regardless with how the system is now, I think it best to put my efforts in to other review sites.  I am not saying I am no longer going to do reviews on webhostingstuff.com or the sites that appear on them.  I am just saying its going to be random.  There may be one or more months I don’t cover whats going on, on webhostingstuff.com.  I may spend a whole month on webhostingstuff.com.  But for now I think webhostingstuff has started what may be the end of their ppc system.

Hosting Review Summary – Webhostingstuff.com April 2011 top 25 list in review

April is the last month I will be doing a hosting review summary on webhostingstuff.com’s top 25.  Partly because some where towards the end of the month the top 25 was done away with and a new system was put into place.  The system pretty much depended on how much credits each provider has left and how much they want to bid for each spot.

but more about that in another post.

For April 2011 there were three new hosts, and one host that had 2 of its negative reviews removed.

Hosting review summary for April 2011

When I first wrote up my hosting review summary I found 2 hosts that on the surface looked like they had downtime issues.  Another host did not have much on the surface.  Frankly if they did not send some unnamed rep the post would have been a pretty dry and stale one.  I do appreciate that hosting companies take the time to read my hosting review. I hope that they can take something from it, and that it will discourage them from using fake review sites, and engage in honest marketing.  Even still if they don’t agree with me, it often enhances a post.  I am willing to let Michael Low comment as well, his counter argument has always been welcome.   Because unlike him, I am not going to block him from visiting my site, and commenting on my review of his hosting review site.

Summary Hosting Review for Premiumwebdesign.com

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/webhostingstuff-com/premiumwebdesign-com-hostgator-com-customer.html

This is one of those hosts that I feel will never get beyond being anything more then a small host.  There are too many quirky things that will keep it from being a mid level host.  For one the allowing comments all over the site, lacks a degree of professionalism.  Ordering an account seems to be a confusing process as it is not exactly not up front clear where to go to order, which makes me wonder how anyone can order an account.  I suppose you could argue that it cuts down fraud, but not every one likes to contact someone to order, especially legitimate people.  The terms of service are buried deep in the ordering process, and not linked on the bottom of every page like most hosts will do.  But the hidden terms of service get worse when you find that its broke up in to several parts on other pages, I can only guess this was done to increase search engine ranking as a privacy policy is clearly visible, from what I understand Google is supposed to like those when spidering your site.   Every hosting review I see seems a bit forced, not to mention repeated over time.

As I stated before I feel that the reason I found this host on the top 25 had to deal with up time as webhostingstuff.com indicated.

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I also get the feeling based on the owner being the only one to respond to comments through various parts of the site that this is a single person operation.

Summary Hosting Review for Winhost.com

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/webhostingstuff-com/winhost-com.html


I have to say that this was not a host that I found interesting while I did  a review on them, for that matter it seemed pretty dry.   The funny thing is the same day, right after I got my screen shots they got a second review.  Which is a good thing considering the first one was over a year old, and the domain was expired.  But while there was only one positive review on webhostingstuff.com at the time, there were 17 reviews on web-hosting-top.com where 7 good, 9 bad, and one neutral.    Though in my opinion its 10 negative as the neutral reviewer migrated to another host because of the issues they had.

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This is another of those hosts that use webhostdir.com, and they feel there is no need for you to see numbers, or data of any other kind to prove they are a top host.

I think the most interesting thing about this post was not the post itself but that I got a comment from some unnamed rep from winhost.com.  As he/she was not willing to point me to where this ppc / advertising was taking place at.  Also that webhostingstuff.com does not claim to be a review site, without an individual customer hosting review webhostingstuff.com would have far less pages.  Just guessing but I suspect over 90% of the content is customer reviews alone.  As for dealing with clients, I have to wonder how long a defensive measure with customer complaints will serve them.  But this was the host that had me going back to webhostingstuff.com to find out what happen to the top 25, and for one page only I got to see from my home location that the top 25 was gone, after going to a friends house I found that there were definite changes that I will cover in my next post.

Summary Hosting Review for Jixhost.com

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/webhostingstuff-com/jixhost-com-home-of-the-very-limited-guarantee.html

This is a host where its pretty clear that webhostingstuff.com rounds up on its hosting review(s),  despite 2 negative reviews and one positive review this company gets a 3 out of 5 star rating.   9 out of the 10 reviews are negative, and 7 out of the 10 are in regards to down time.  Though it may very well be 10 as I did not want to trigger another block by trying to look at each review in detail.

What bothered me with this host was the claim of :

No risk 30 day Money Back Guarantee!

But the terms of service which could easily be found, and in my opinion lacking detail state:

Our 30 day refund policy excludes reseller plans, vps, servers, domains, SSL certificates and plans paid for longer then 1 month and accounts that are suspended or terminated for abuse. We can not refund unused portions of your plan;

Which clearly meant that only on a certain plan, and as long as you did not pay more then a month you got this guarantee.  If you found the service not to your liking during the 30 days and you purchased more then a month or a plan not covered by the guarantee (which appears to be only their business plan), your labeled a host jumper.  This was explained to me by the a chat operator.  Frankly people who I consider host jumpers were more likely to purchase monthly plans then they were to purchase longer terms.

It has been fun debunking the top 25 hosting review(s) of webhostingstuff.

Jixhost.com – Home of the very limited Guarantee

Jixhost.com is my 3rd host review of 3 hosts for April 2011 webhostingstuff.com’s top 25.  This may very well be the last host I review on webhostingstuff.com’s top 25.  Because Webhostingstuff.com removed the top 25, as you can see if you read the exchange between me and the unknown agent of winhost.com.

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/webhostingstuff-com/winhost-com.html

More about that in another post.  Off the top of my head I suppose I should be reading the positive reviews, but there is only one, and it appears that they changed their dns the same day as the review.

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Jixhost.com has down time

Like the first host this host had signs of downtime.  Which does not show up on the webhostingstuff.com tracked down time. But its in the reviews.  I think its safe to assume that this host keeps its main site separate from its customers, unless of coarse the downtime some how happen in between the gaps of when webhostingstuff.com pings.  From March 2010 to Febuary 2011 there are 10 reviews, and only one of them have anything nice to say.  Since Webhostingstuff.com triggers a block if too many inquiries are done I can only see 7 out of 9  of the negative reviews complain about down time.

I figured I would go to web-hosting-top.com to see if the same is true.  Between January 2010 to present there are three complaints in regards to downtime and I find 6 complaints.  But I find myself questioning the legitimacy of the negative reviews.   Not because of another host with a Generic Rep that too often states “The above is not a valid review due to the domain and name never being a client of JixHost. — jixhost.com representative“.   That just points out there lack of being able to deal with customers on a public forum.  Its the broken English, and no not the broken English that happens with many of my posts where I do things in a hurry and not like I did when I was in college and feared bad grades from my professors.   Maybe I am wrong and these are non-English Customers.  After all I had a lot of customers that went to Google to translate, while Google is great at translating a lot is lost in translation.

But there are two things the reviews tell me to do

  • See what I find when I search for results on Google – “Search and read about Jixhost.com over the internet just to see how bad is the service
  • Try out the chat system because “Live chat = live silence! You

Chat with Jixhost.com

Chat sessions for me have been a point where I am not sure how to proceed.  At some point I hope to have a formula set up when I do chats.  But its not always so simple, especially with this host.  This is the first chat where I see:

If you have general questions and would like to chat with our representatives, feel free to do so below.

But the site did give me a a question to ask.

Benjamin:Am I correct in reading if I purchase more then a monthly plan I will not be eligible for a refund?

Welcome Benjamin! Your request has been directed to the Pre-Sales Questions department. Please wait for our operator to answer your call.
Call accepted by operator JixHost. Currently in room: Benjamin, JixHost.

JixHost:Which plan were you interested in?
Benjamin:I am looking at your terms of service
Benjamin:which clearly state: 7. Our 30 day refund policy excludes reseller plans, vps, servers, domains, SSL certificates and plans paid for longer then 1 month and accounts that are suspended or terminated for abuse. We can not refund unused portions of your plan;
JixHost:correct
Benjamin:so if I purchase a year, there is no refund possible
JixHost:Correct
Benjamin:thats not a very good selling point
JixHost:tHERE ARE REASONS FOR THAT
JixHost:sorry
JixHost:for caps
Benjamin:and those reasons are?
JixHost:In the hosting industry there are whats commonly known as “host hoppers”
JixHost:We prefer to spend our time and resources with serious clients
JixHost:this is why we have the policy in place.
JixHost:It deters
Benjamin:well there are people like me that generally stay with a host until things go wrong, and usually I pay annually or better.  But I can’t say this part of the terms of service encourages me that nothing will go wrong
Benjamin:and a host hopper is just as likely to jump on smaller terms
JixHost:One can choose to go monthly
JixHost:We do not require any duration
Benjamin:Well thank you for your time, but your reasoning does not convince me to try your program.
JixHost:ok, have a good night.
JixHost:”try”
JixHost: case and point
Benjamin:pardon?
JixHost:Its works
JixHost:
JixHost:Is there anything else?
Benjamin:No, have a good day.
JixHost:You too. Good bye

The chat with Jixhost went a little funky if you ask me

I have been bothered by their guarantee system because on the main page they say:

Just a few of the many reasons why you should choose JixHost as your hosting provider!

  • Over 5 years in business!
  • FREE private name servers!
  • FREE billing system (phpcoin)!
  • Powerful CloudLinux 4 CPU core servers!
  • No risk 30 day Money Back Guarantee!
  • Over 99% uptime track record!
  • FREE Templates, Softaculous, Fantastico, RV Site Builder PRO and more!
  • 24/7/365 Email, Ticketing & Live Support!
  • SSL Secure environement!
  • Complete backups of your data on a seperate drive!
  • FREE instant setup on all accounts!
  • FREE domain reseller account with it’s website!

Which is not honest, its only to non-reseller plans and only if you purchase under monthly terms as I clearly showed on what I think is a really weak terms of service.  If you pay more then a year and find their service is bad then there is no recoarse.  I have to wonder how many charge backs they have incurred because of their anti-host jumper philpospy.

Do they have over 5 years in business?

Well the domain is just shy a few months from 3 years.  I would love to hear the story behind that, not to mention why there is a video on Jixhost for Softlayer.

Search engine results bring me to:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=718377

http://www.ecotarget.com/technology/internet-technology/web-development/never-host-with-jixhost-com

There are other things I have found but I am not sure I would rather repost the links,  I looked by just jixhost.com and jixhost.com sucks.  I think its safe to say that I have not seen the same results on any other host.  Jixhost is on my watch list.

Winhost.com – Will a single review convince you?

Winhost.com is my Second host review of 3 hosts for April 2011 webhostingstuff.com’s top 25.  Looking at webhostingstuff.com I can’t say I could see a whole lot wrong with this site.  The affiliate commissions are reasonable.  Unlike the last host terms of service link are located on every page.  The design is fairly simple, not an eye sore, and while I admit to not migrating to every page seems straight forward on where to go to get hosting, support, and other services. I can’t speak much on the subject of widows hosting.  After all I sold Plesk, cPanel, and bare bones Linux.  Plesk of coarse my preferred choice.  My review will be based off of webhostingstuff.com, winhost.com, web-hosting-top.com, and webhostdir.com

Winhost.com has one and only one review

Well they only have one review with webhostingstuff.com, but that review was over a year ago.  Also the domain is expired.   Clearly the only reason that they are on the top 25 has nothing to do with being a top host as the reviews are slim.

Winhost.com has 17 reviews with web-hosting-top.com

According to web-hosting-top.com:

There are 17 total Win Host reviews and this company is listed on web-hosting-top.com since 2009. 7 customers found winhost.com a good provider and 9 as bad (1 were neutral).

So 9 out of those 17 reviews are negative.   The one review that counts as a neutral review, really does not seem to be neutral as it made the reviewer choose another host.   Though I suggest checking those positive reviews, because they have 2.5 stars in some areas like support making me wonder why there was no questions to people that posted the low rating on what could be done to improve things.  One review in particular sticks out to me.

http://www.web-hosting-top.com/reviews/winhost.com/14295

For some reason the rep of winhost.com is under the impression that the downtime that was complained about happened the day before the complaint or only a short time.  If anything this is a rep I would not have doing damage control as too much time is spent in trying to make it look like its the customer.  Though I am sure with the details in the email and the first name of the customer should be some clues to who the customer might be.

And the webhostdir.com award goes to winhost.com

Web hosting directory seems like a scam, after all the one thing they do not provide is numbers, details, or anything that validates why someone got an award.  While winhost.com is willing to post the awards on their site, they don’t link directly to this link:

http://www.webhostdir.com/search/profile.aspx?spid=16999

Where you find they have won the “Most Popular” August 2009 – March 2011.  You would think that would be something to brag about.

But if you look below you see this option to vote now where you give a name, email, and comments.  I have to wonder if this is one of those things where you can pay someone to create fake votes.  You can do with YouTube videos.  For that matter I know a company that sales you people to like your company on Facebook, I think it was something like $35 to get 500 people to like your company.  There are even ways to fake your twitter followers.  Which is far cheaper then trying to do it the right way.

Now while I do not know that the reviews were faked on winhost, I don’t see anything such as dates when posted and domains hosted to prove they are real.

Premiumwebdesign.com – Hostgator.com customer

Premiumwebdesign.com is my First host review of 3 hosts for April 2011 webhostingstuff.com’s top 25.  Another host that choose to try webhostingstuff.com’s advertising, perhaps they are not aware that makes them a top 25 host. Depending on how much they pay determines where in the top 25 they are.   So if they choose to contact me like 1/4 the hosts have they can read http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/webhostingstuff-com/webhostingstuff-com-a-rigged-contest.html.  Frankly anyone that tells me they did not know at this point have no excuses.  Just by searching for webhostingstuff.com this site comes up on the first page of Google search engine results.  This has been the case for at least 8 months.

The Premiumwebdesign.com / Hostgator.com connection

If you read my initial thoughts I thought that this host may very well be a reseller for hostgator.com.

To be honest I am not 100 percent sure they are a hostgator.com client, but the network whois tells me a bit of information that makes me think its hostgator.com, which is websitewelcome.  There not the first host to have that in their network whois.  Webinternethosting.com, has the same network whois and they are a hostgator.com customer. If you visit Hostgator.com you find they made a claim to websitewelcome: http://support.hostgator.com/articles/private-name-servers-setupMany resellers choose to have their own name servers for appearance reasons. Using our anonymous name servers of ns1.websitewelcome.com and ns2.websitewelcome.com can be less professional looking for a hosting company.” I am not sure that by definition that websitewelcome.com is anonymous, as a simple search via Google.com I found that link.  That and I really do not think that most people look at the dns of most sites unless they are a host. While I am not sure if Premiumwebdesign.com is on a dedicated account, I am certain of what they are not on because they have their own private dns. “If you have reseller, SEO, VPS, or Dedicated, you should have those IP’s listed in your welcome email. If not, simply contact HostGator so we can provide you with the correct IP’s.

Here is why I think Premiumwebdesign.com is on webhostingstuff.com

hosting review As I stated in my initial write up, the down time webhostingstuff.com may be greater then what is actually listed because they ping only once every 6 hours or greater.

Premiumwebdesign.com has all 5 star review from all 14 reviews

Clearly on webhostingstuff.com, which seems to be the only place that has reviews for this hosting company are all 5 star reviews.  The last host to do a review with them is still with them.  But the last review was May 14, 2008.  Worse yet That site is not active.

Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@rjlmusic.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.”

Google cache shows a site under construction page. The other sites that are on webhostingstuff.com have me wondering the legitimacy of the reviews.  Because some of the same people have posted a review, granted it may be years later.  Then in February 3rd and 4th of 2007 they got 6 reviews.  But thats not all that makes me wonder.

But my biggest gripe with Premiumwebdsign.com – No up front terms of service

From the main page clicking on the “Services” tab and picking “Web Hosting” it took me 7 pages to find, but it turns out I could have found it on the first page I came from the tab.   Most companies that don’t have the terms of service on the main page tend to have it on the same page you enter your credit car at. http://www.premiumwebdesign.com/wordpress/services/web-hosting/web-hosting-terms/ Where you find that the terms of service has been cut up and placed into several pages.  This is the amount of text that they have before sending you off to navigate to pages that have no links to the other terms of service: “Premium Web Development, L.L.C. has a responsibility to protect each of our clients and provide the best service possible. The customer is expected to have a basic knowledge of how the Internet functions, the types of use which are generally acceptable on the Internet, and the types of use which are to be avoided. Common sense is the best guide as to what is considered acceptable use. Also, common sense is the rule when uploading files during high traffic usage times on the Internet. Premium Web Design and Hosting offers space for your site on our servers and has nothing to do whatsoever with your access to reach our servers or the time it takes to upload, etc. The following guidelines were designed to ensure these services” Most hosts have the bulk of their terms of service, they don’t piece meal it through the site to make multiple pages.  But I think I know why it was made in to separate pieces.

My personal take on Premiumwebdesign.com

The design and the domain are defiantly not choices I would have made.  Regardless of it being a wordpress site, the design seems out of date.    I don’t like turning a hosting site into a blog, where comments can be posted anywhere.  A blog can defiantly enhance a site, it defiantly does that for hostgator.com.  I am not sure I would want to make the main page of any site the place for anyone to post their comments.  Esspecially with a comment such as: “Hi Glennette, I notice that from your greeting on this page (Dear Christian Business Owner,) you assume that everybody is a Christian. I have nothing against any religion. However, do you require all your clients to be Christians? Regards, Jim” While it appears the greeting has been removed, the comment is still there.  Which leads into my whole separation of religion, politics, and business.  Seldom do the three mix well together.  Here you have Religion and politics on the main page.  Clearly allowing the comments is for the sake of increasing  search engine rankings. The hosting packages are not even up front.  I can’t imagine many people can find out where to order a package on this site.  Clearly they need to look at the competition to see how to actually sell hosting, as opposed to purchasing fake advertising from a so called top host review site. The terms of service is in my opinion a big problem, its not upfront its spread out to too many places when it should be linked to every page and the content for the terms of service should only be on one page.     Its not easy to access as the “About Us” tab that takes you to a page that is just about one person.  Which tends to make me wonder if Premiumwebdesign is a one person operation.