Manashosting.com spams again, so this means war

Manashosting.com has found its way to this blog again, and if you want to blame anyone for bringing my attention back to this blog you can thank them.

For the last 6 months I have been between buying a new home, packing, moving, fixing up the old house to return it to the to land lord, and fine tuning my new house, all while trying to juggle web design clients that seem to choose the most inconvenient times to give me business. The next step is designing a desk.  From that I have learned I am no carpenter, and should perhaps stay away from power tools. Meanwhile this site was pretty low on my priorities. But while all of this has been going on Manashosting.com has been doing a rather aggressive marketing campaign.

Now before anyone wants to get into a whole argument about how I am anti-capitalism, I am going to cut the argument down. I am not against making money, so long as it is done ethically. Spamming is not ethical; in fact it is downright invasive. Given I have a career in the webhosting industry that spans just a little over a decade; I think I have real reason to hate spam. Between installing counter measures, dealing with abusers, and having to delist my servers off spam lists (some of which pretty much required a ransom to remove them) I have lost a lot of time, money, and productivity that could have been used to grow my business. My hatred of spam goes beyond ethics; it extends to my wallet and lost time. So I take spam very personally, especially from a company that claims to be in their own words “Oldest Successful Hosting company of India”.

By aggressive mailing measures I find that Manashosting.com has returned to mailing my yahoo email addresses something they have not done since 2010 on July 17, 2013.

manashosting-july-2013-january-2014-spam

I would have wrote about it back then mostly because it pisses them off every time I write an article. Than I meant to get this done last week, but I made a mistake of involving myself in rewriting the content for a client’s site. My brain may be leaking out of my ears because I learned a little too much about my customer’s insurance business. But today this little email came in reminded me what I was supposed to do last week:

Manashosting.com spam sent January 20, 2014

Dear Customer,

Thank you for your association with Asia’s No 1 hosting company, we are

glad to inform you that now India’s oldest hosting provider is giving

reseller hosting package at just Rs 10000 for 3 years.

The reseller package is been given with the below features no1 data center,

48gb DDR3 Ram, high speed,Complete up time, unlimited domain, No

limitations.

Please contact us immediately at 080-42400333 or 18002580258 to avail the

promo .

Regards,

Oldest hosting provider

Oldest hosting provider? Really, I don’t think so Manashosting.com.

The header information is attached here:

hostingupdates.tk spam headers

Never mind I have never been and never will be a customer of Manashosting.com, something is missing in this email.  The odd thing about this email, like many of the emails from Manashosting.com is that they leave out any name or reference to their company. All I have is this phone number to a company called Target Information Management. I know that is Manashosting.com because some of the spam that has their name on it, also has the same phone number. Strangely their call center is not located out of India, but my country the U.S. out of the state of Michigan. Target Information Management is defiantly worth looking into considering their relationship with Manashosting.com. But for now I want to focus on their spam and where it is coming from, and if you came here because you got spam from Manashosting.com what steps you can take against Manashosting.com.

Looking through the header information in their earlier and latest spam I find the domain name hostingupdates.tk. I find that they are hosted by interserver.net. A company I reviewed last year that tried to pay me to do a post on their company and join their hosting program. But there is no surprise that Manashosting.com is using a .tk domain.

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/hosts-that-use-exposed-reviews/interserver-net-%E2%80%93-the-next-top-host-part-1.html

Manashosting.com’s time has come, what you can do

So if you have been getting emails from a hosting company that with any of the following information:

WORLD TRADE CENTER,
Brigade Gateway,
Rajajinagar,
Bangalore- 560055
080-42400333
1800-258-0258

That is indeed Manashosting.com

There are four steps that need to be taken against Manashosting.com.

  1. Forwarding the spam with headers intact to Interserver.net at abuse@interserver.net, make sure to leave the headers intact.
  2. After which the next step is to get the domain name hostingupdates.tk removed from Manashosting.com control.  As before forward all spam with headers attached to abuse dot.tk with headers intact.  Header information will look like this this text file.
  3. Contact Manashosting.com’s network provider, which I am a little shocked to see is Rackspace. Forward the spam with headers attached to abuse@rackspace.com. Make sure to connect as outlined how manashosting.com is connected to the spam.
  4. The last and finale contact should be the very provider of Manashosting.com’s domain, publicdomainregistry.com. You can reach them at compliance@publicdomainregistry.com. Which is where you can forward your complaint, as well as details that link the spam to Manashosting.com

Steps 3 and 4 are a little more complicated because manashosting.com has kept their domain and name out of the bulk of their spam. So you will need to connect the dots for Rackspace.com and publicdomainregistry.com. The best way is to have them Google “Manashosting.com 18002580258”, which is the same number found in the spam. They can also try calling the number and ask to buy a manashosting.com account. Or you can point them to this post.

The below pics are copies of the whois info for Manashosting.com and their spam domain hostingupdates.tk.

hostingupdatestk whois manashosting whois

Manashosting.com is not really that bad…… are they?

I could go into a whole time line of events with Manashosting.com, but I did that the last time I covered them:

Manashosting.com Spams again!!!

Since 2010 Manashosting.com has been up to the same tricks, which are not just limited to spamming my Yahoo and Hotmail accounts. Manashosting.com also likes to comment spam forums and blogs with fake positive reviews, often for the sake of drowning out negative reviews. One of the worst sites to show case Manashosting.com public relation spamming attempts is:

http://www.web-hosting-top.com/review/manashosting.com

Given that I have penetrated a first page Manashosting.com reviews, I have also been targeted with fake positive reviews. Which is probable because I also have a lot of negative reviews from their past customers. The biggest blatant give away that they fake their reviews is that most of the comments come from the same ip address. The other is that they may seem like different people but they put in the same email address and/or domain for many of these reviews.

manashosting spams again

Normally  I would  avoid calling any company a scam, but I think Manashosting.com has earned that title. As Manashosting.com may be the worst hosting company in the world, and their business practices tell me why I should not try them.

Manashosting.com Spams again!!!

Manashosting.com is not going to be happy with this latest post. Regardless of what anyone at Manashosting.com may have to say about this post, spam is not legal in this country. I don’t care if Manashosting.com put a disclaimer in their email stating I am not supposed to share it. That somehow an email address they were not supposed to have and marketed to I am supposed to respect confidentiality.

By spamming I mean that Manashosting.com was soliciting to an email address that did not opted into Manashosting.com’s mailing list. I seriously have no interest in hosting with any company similar to the nature of Manashosting.com. So I have no intention of giving them my email address. Nor will I give anyone from Manashosting.com the email address for my other personal account they decided to spam. Just to make it that much easier to delete my email address out. As I half suspect they may have deleted every Yahoo.com address. So I am not going to tell them the domain that email address is under. At best I will say that it is with Microsoft. So a few more domains for Manashosting.com to remove out of their list.

If Manashost.com does not want me to do posts on their company than perhaps they should avoid spamming. No requests for removal of this post from Manashosting.com will be honored. But as previously stated they should delete all email lists, and stick strictly to double opted in address.

A short history of my interactions with Manashosting.com

As I first stated I had no interest in this company, for that matter they spammed me a few times before I decided that this blog should take on spam. After all like fake review sites, spam is a form of unethical marketing.

First Manashosting.com spammed my Yahoo. Email account – November 11, 2010

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/scams-to-avoid/manashosting.html

Not long after that someone named Anthony John contacted me for Manashosting.com. Saying that I should have clicked on their unsubscribe link in their spam, as opposed to making blog post about them spamming me. Anthony of Manashosting.com also asked for the email address of the email they had spammed me by. Since they had spammed me I saw no reason to give them my personal email address.

Amazingly after this email, the spamming stopped from Manashosting.com.

Than a second look at Manashosting.com – November 19, 2010

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/scams-to-avoid/manashosting-com-a-second-look.html

Than they decided to spam comment on this very blog – October 16, 2011

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/spammer/manashosting-com.html

Manashosting.com demands I remove my posts on their company – January 15, 2012

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/spammer/manashosting-com-fun-and-games-by-email.html

In short Anthony of Manashosting.com decided to point me to the whole law book from India on Internet Law. Without pointing me directly to what exactly law states I cannot post proof of their wrong doing. Never mind that Manashosting.com’s spamming violates U.S. law.

So far it seems that Manashosting.com wants me to do an annual post on their site.

Manashosting.com finds another of my email accounts – January 17, 2013

Normally I don’t use my Microsoft email all that often, I have had it almost as long as my Yahoo address. The bulk of the use of this account was mostly for Windows Live Messenger. But from time to time I use it for other reasons. I mostly use it for companies I don’t pay a lot of attention to their emails. Like Commission Junction, and other companies that like to send a lot of email. One of the companies that I bought a script from had sent me an email with some coding I needed. I could not find it in the main folder so I decided to check the spam folder, where I found the email I was looking for and Manashosting.com’s spam. I tend to think that the company I was looking for email from was marked spam because of the coding they sent me. But I find it most interesting that Microsoft decided to mark this email as spam and that they would delete it within 10 days of being sent. Which means I have no idea how long Manashosting.com has been sending me spam. Because I don’t normally check the spam folder when I do log into my Microsoft email. Generally I only check it when Trillian has a pop up with an email subject I may be interested in. I don’t believe that Trillian will notify me of any email that is marked as spam.

manashosting spam

Manashosting.com’s latest spam

Create Unlimited Web Pages just for Re 1‏

From: Manasahosting.com (g4genuine@in.com)
Sent: Thu 1/17/13 12:37 PM


Warm Greetings dear customers,

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Results of a good SEO ranking results in:

  • Traffic
  • A good number of quality back links
  • Increase in Page Rank

Manual working on your SEO to give natural ranking to your web site:

Keyword Rank, Keyword working, Customize Keyword, High Complicated Keyword, Regional Keywords, Web Pages Optimize, Search Engine Submission, Classified adding, Blog, Forum, Article Submission, Directory Submission, SEO related Content Writing, Image Submission, Audio Submission, Video Submission, Back Links and more

All this and more starting just at Rs10000

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Call 1800-258-0258

TO KNOW MORE VISIT: MANAS HOSTING (DOT) COM

We also provide low cost VPS, VDS and Dedicated servers.

Thanks and regards,

Sales Team

Toll Free: 1800-258-0258

24518 Harper Avenue

Saint Clair Shores Michigan 48080

USA

Disclaimer: The information contained in this message (including the enclosure(s) or attachment(s) if any) is confidential and may be proprietary or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or have received it by mistake please notify the sender by return e-mail and permanently delete this message and any attachments from your system. Any dissemination, use, review, distribution, disclosure, printing or copying of this message in whole or in part is strictly prohibited. Please note that e-mails are susceptible to change. Manashosting shall not be liable for the improper or incomplete transmission of the information contained in this communication nor for any delay in its receipt or damage to your system. Manashosting does not guarantee that the integrity or security of this communication has been maintained or that this communication is free of viruses, interceptions or interferences. Anyone communicating with Manashosting by email accepts the risks involved and their consequences. Manashosting accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email.

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Header information for the Manashosting,.com spam will be posted in the comments area.

From design, affiliate program, SEO, to hosting. Manashosting.com’s offering is all over the map.

Speaking of maps, what I find interesting is that address.

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/16997272/24518-Harper-Avenue-St-Clair-Shores-MI/

Calling the number that Manashosting.com provides gets me the name of another company once I called: Target Information Management.

The network whois for Manashosting.com tells me:

Comment: Please send abuse complaints to abuse@cybercon.com

CustName: DreamWorx Hosting

Address: PO Box 806332

City: Saint Clair Shores

StateProv: MI

PostalCode: 48080

Country: US

RegDate: 2009-04-20

Updated: 2011-03-19

 

Interestingly enough the address for DreamWork Hosting (PO box) and the address Manashosting.com provides are 1.2 mile drive from one another.

I will be sending abuse complaints to Manashosting.com’s partners.

  • Cybercon.com
  • targetinfo.com
  • in.com

Once again if anyone at Manashosting.com bothers to read, no I will not remove this post.

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Hostgator.com – Comment spam friendly affiliate program

Hostgator.com in my opinion has the worst affiliate comment spammers.  Case in point my post on Hostgator.com’s annual Black Friday special.

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/redemption/hostgator-com.html

Where I plead with Hostgator.com to email their affiliates and let them know that spam is not acceptable. Here is the reply I got from Hostgator.com:

Hello Benjamin,

Thank you for your email.

Please note that these comments and spam are not from HostGator staff members, these are from affiliates of ours. Please know that we do not condone spam in any sense and we will gladly do our best to track down the affiliates that are spamming and remove them from the affiliate program, as it is clearly against our terms of service that they have agreed to. Please simply notify us and allow us time to look into the matters and we will do our best to control the problem.

Please do also note that we do have a policy regarding disclosure and the FTC guidelines within the TOS, and this was emailed directly to all affiliates as well, letting them know of the requirements and changes in the TOS.

We will also be letting affiliates know in advance when communicating the Black Friday emails that spam is grounds for termination within the affiliate program with the loss of commissions previously pending/sent being a possibility should they spam.

Thanks again for your email. I hope this helps clear up your concerns that we are definitely against spam and we will certainly do what we can to help combat it. It can be difficult when we have well over 150,000 affiliates to control and keep up with their actions – but we certainly do try to have the best and cleanest program around!

Thanks again. We wish you the best this Holiday season.

Best Regards,
Taylor Hawes
CMO – HostGator.com

Please feel free to let us know if you have any further questions.

I will say this about Hostgator.com they are good about sending out a first response.  However they seem to lose interest after any first replies.  I realize of course that Hostgator.com is not creating the spam. But they directly benefit from it. As any sale generated by their affiliates comment spamming is a benefit. My interest was that they would email their affiliates letting them know their policy on spamming.  We are less than 3 months away from this year’s Black Friday, and the comment spam has been from my own experience worse than it has ever been. In fact combined with all hosting spam I have received this year, it is dwarfed by what I get from these hostagor.com affiliates.  Just one person was responsible for most of the spam.

So what triggered this hostgator.com post?

The above mentioned post got a comment from one of hostgator.com’s affiliates and they wanted to post a coupon for hostgator.com which of course means they get paid a commission.  Had they read the post they would have realized the irony of comment spamming that particular post.

So I am angry about one little comment from one Hostgator.com affiliate?

Personally I found it funny the particular post they decided to spam on dealt with hostgator.com affilate spam.  But what I dread is the comment spam on my personal accounts than there is this one Hostgator.com affiliate that is under the YouTube user: Sophia9Lott3134. This hostgator.com affiliate decided to spam my YouTube video not once, not twice, not ten times, but 71 times. Were they not aware that some videos like mine have all comments approved?

Click the below image to see the full 71 spam comments from this hostgator.com affiliate.

Then there are these two YouTube users/Hostgator.com affilates that happen to have the same comment:

Those two shots and the ones below are all from my first video all of which were people attempting to post coupon codes for Hostgator.com that would lead to them getting paid a nice commission.

Hostgator.com affiliates that spam comment only  targeted my video because it was in relation to webhosting?

I might have been their main target because my main topic is hosting, however a personal Youtube account of mine that has nothing to do with hosting and mostly videos of World of Warcraft has been target by Hostgator.com affilates.

Bottom line Hostgator.com needs to rein their affiliates in.

Manashosting.com – Fun and Games by Email

Manashosting.com found its way to my blog because they choose to spam my personal email account back in November 2010. Not because manashosting.com spammed once, but several times through 2010. I was in the middle of writers block when another email came in from manshosting.com.

Manashosting.com was the encouragement for starting posts on companies that spam.

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/?p=1040

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/?p=1152

I was emailed by someone claiming to be Antony John with Manashosting.com telling me I should have used the unsubscribe link. They asked me to remove my posts about Manashosting.com, and to give my email account, so they could remove me from their list. I made it clear that I would not give my email account as I never gave it to them to begin with. Hence why I labeled manashosting a spammer.

After which the email spam stopped from Manashosting.com.

By October 2011 it seemed Manashosting.com decided to do something that they had done on many other sites to my site and that was to post fake positive feedback. They tried to use a post on a Hostgator.com post to get people to go to Manashosting.com. Frankly I thought It was distasteful to use a negative post I made on a host to try and advertise manashosting.com. For which I made another post about Manashosting.com:

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/?p=2706

Manashosting.com choose the wrong person to spam

I have a lot of reasons to hate spam. Being a former hosting provider being the ultimate reason for hating spam. I can’t even begin to speculate the countless hours of money and man hours lost in dealing with spam. The more domains that were put on our servers, the more spam that the servers were forced to endure. On top things like spam assassin ran making it to where we had to put less clients on a server. Then there is all the legitimate email that I lost because of measures to avoid spam.  Some cases this would cost me clients. Then there was the occasional asshole that thought they could use our servers to spam. Sometimes my servers were held hostage by the likes of spamcop to pay what very well may be deemed as black mail to white lists IPs. Don’t get me started on Comcast whose own spam policies costs me hours of man hours to fix. They had adapted a stupid practice of using abandoned email accounts to catch supposed spammers. That is only a small taste of why I cannot stand spammers and I could write novels of what can only amount to a burning rage. But this is about one company that will use illegitimate means to get customers, Manashosting.com.

An email exchange with Manashosting.com

I had to meant to post the email exchange between me and Manashosting back in December 2011. But as I stated super busy with issues such as the loss of a family member, work, and well the holidays.

This email came in again from someone claiming to be Anthony John on December 7, 2001.  The Subject was “ACTION REQUIRED
Am writing on behalf of Manashosting.com, on your website there have been several occasion of abuse of service by posting unreliable and false statement about our company which is hampering our business to a greater extent and also its affecting our branding. We from the company have brought this to your notice several times and no action has been taken yet with this regards. Now that there has been a new rule implemented by the Indian government to protect company’s interests and individual interests we request you to remove these folly reviews from your site at the earliest. The rule that is governing is called as Information Technology Act (ITA). If you are unable to remove the folly reviews we recommend that you remove our company from your website completely. All the keywords that are added with our name Manashosting and or Manashosting needs to be removed from your website.

Thanks and regards,

Antony John
Branding Manager
Manashosting
Bangalore, India

I only received one email from Manashosting.com, from this guy claiming to be Anthony John. This time around I have no idea why he has my email, as I never sent a reply back to him through the hosting-reviews-exposed.com Gmail account. I simply posted his email to the first post, and allowed the blog to email him with a email from the system.

Here is my response to Manashosting.com

Anthony,

Your company spammed me, hence why I did an article on your company.  Had you not spammed me you would not have found yourself on my site.

As for I where I lied, point out where and I will see if there is an actually correction needed. Otherwise instead of issuing threats you do not understand, I would suggest in your next email you ask me how you can work to resolve this and change your company to a viable option. By that I do not mean a bribe, but following business practices I lay out.  If you do not want to see any more articles stop spamming me and every one else.

I have done reviews on far bigger companies then you, and they are willing to work with me.

Also Anthony, don’t lie your company only contacted me once, as I published your companies last email.

Regards,

Benjamin

Manashosting.com’s response:

Hi Benjamin,

Its nice of you to respond with your grievances and we do apologies if we had spammed you earlier, but what we would like to tell you is that due to this review on your site we are losing business to an extent, and more over we had never approached you on this, now since there is a law that is in place in our country where we can approach the site owners and let them know about the hindrance caused to us and we would like to settle the matter in a more amicable manner rather than seeking the justice through law Information technology act (ITA) www.mit.gov.in/content/information-technology-act.

We do also understand that there might have been a mistake from our side by spamming you. At the same time we would like you also to consider the amount of work that is done from our side to bring our company’s branding and there by would like you to take us of your website.

I hope that you would surely consider this request.

Regards,

Antony John
Manager Branding
Manashosting
Bangalore
India

I did try to dig into their laws, but frankly I doubt even Manashosting.com understands the link they sent me. It’s a pdf file so not exactly easy to search for the exact law they are trying to point to. I could care less about there lose if Manahosting is going to fake their reviews and spam. But in short I get the last word with manashosting.com.

Anthony,

You spammed a U.S. citizen.  I am not a citizen of your country.  Therefore your law does not apply to me. Spamming is illegal in my country. Which means any severs that you have in my country must comply with U.S. law, not India law.  Never mind my first amendment rights.

But if you want to go after people that have negative things to say about your site, how about  http://www.webhostingreviews.com/manas-hosting-reviews.htm

I also know your spam commenting like you did on my blog my biggest case in point is:

http://www.web-hosting-top.com/review/manashosting.com

If you care to debate it I can make it a point to have that company review the positives.  You have a trend of creating positives (and you’re not good at faking it) every time there are negative comments.

Trying to point me to a law that does not affect me, is not going to help you.  Point to me where you thought there was an actual lie.  I suggest you read each of my posts on your site word for word.  But I know I am not the first to complain about your spam.

http://indian-web-hosting.blogspot.com/2008/09/manas-hosting-spammer.html

Also there is no question about if you spammed me, you did spam me.  I never gave your company  my email nor would I ever give your company my email address.  Which makes the emails your company sent to my private yahoo account spam.  There is no might of about it.  I will not accept a half assed apology.  Simply put I should never have received any of your companies emails.

As for never approaching me on this your full of crap.  I have your previous email from “11/14/10”.

Antony
antony@manashosting.com

Message:
Hi,

It looks like we have sent emails to your personal mail id. This could
have been amicably settled because we also give links for DND which we
update on a regular basis. We request you to mail your email id so
that in near future you would not receive any emails from us. And we
also request you to take the content off your site.

I hope that you would surely do the same.

Regards,
Antony John

Sent from (ip address): 117.192.180.91 (117.192.180.91)

Then there is your email from earlierWe from the company have brought this to your notice several times and no action has been taken yet with this regards.

So yes you have approached me on this.

I have dealt with another host from your country on the same issues.  Unlimitedgb.com, of course they did not try to pull some law on me, they tried to bribe me.  Which did not work out so well from them either.

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/?p=2461

Read the blog and actually correct everything I pointed out.  Doing so means I will work with you and update the posts.  The posts will not be removed.

Either way you spam my email, blogs, YouTube account or whatever else I will write up another post.  So before you spam anyone, think twice as I have over 30 email accounts with various sites, 26 blogs, and 5 YouTube accounts.

Once again there was no might have been about the spam.

Regards,

Benjamin

P.S. Spam pisses me off to no end

Manashosting.com can choose to respond to this post, or learn from their mistakes to avoid having to suffer further consequences.

I hope I do not have to give Manashosting any more lessons in ethics.

Manashosting.com – Email Spammer, and now Comment Spammer

Manashosting.com is a company that found its way on my blog because they choose to spam my personal email.  Their response was for me to give them my email so they could remove me off their list. Since I never gave them my email address, I did not see the point in giving it to them.  I did not respond to their request. Instead I advised them to delete their list and start from scratch. Any email list that you do not obtain on your own, and through a double opt in is not a viable list. They also wanted me to remove my post:

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/?p=1040

Hi, It looks like we have sent emails to your personal mail id. This could have been amicably settled because we also give links for DND which we update on a regular basis. We request you to mail your email id so that in near future you would not receive any emails from us. And we also request you to take the content off your site. I hope that you would surely do the same.

Regards,

Antony John“.

I of coarse declined their request.

This is a post that has been sitting on the back burner, and yet I think I need to get this out of the way before I start my review of gogvo.com. I want to get this out of the way because spam does inspire me to write, but my rage has an expiration date.  Yes I suffer attention deficet disorder, and shinny things such as the Kindle Touch and the Kindle Fire do distract me.  So if I don’t do this now, I probable will not do it later.

So that was the end of my dealings with Manashosting.com?

I thought Manashosting.com learned their lesson as I did not get any more spam to my personal email account.  But in the middle of last month this came in:

Email spam did not pan out so Manashosting.com choose to comment spam my blog.  After all what does a Indian host have to do with an American host like Hostgator.com.  Not to mention the 5000 rupee unlimited Linux plan is about $101 so its not that much more then Hostgator.com. This is not the first time I have received spam from some host that is a bit ridiculous.  One that stole the Android logo tried to spam on my Youtube account:

Bot agrees, all Bot wants to do is offer affordable web hosting to the regular person. Not everyone is a major corporation that can afford $200 a month, which is what some of the other hosting companies out there charge 
And thats why we are slowly gaining popularity. We do what all the rest can do, but MUCH cheaper.

Then of coarse I basically told him this was his chance to be honest, as frankly with his traffic rank it really was not worth my time to review them.  He then went into this whole spill about free hosting for those in the militarty, and donations to a charity which was according to the way back machine police officer charity site, and now a soldier charity site.  But it was that $200 figure, which really makes no sense.  Most people who come to my video are not going to pay $200 a month.  Nor was this guy role playing as a bot, as he  was hosted with one of Endurance International Groups hosts.

This manashosting.com positive comment,  is not the first I have seen that looks a little too good to be true.

Manashosting.com a Host for India?

At the start of my business I wanted to market to people in my country.  Not because I did not want money from other countries, far from it I will take as much money from anyone that will not have me tossing and turning at night over something that bugs my conscience. I probable would be a far richer man if my greed was stronger then that pesky thing called a conscience.  In the beginning I just figured people would rather do business with their own country.  After all you see enough “Buy American” bumper stickers, never mind a lot of the cars with them are parked at Walmart.  To them I have to ask is it okay to buy from Brazil?

The United States, unlike India is a mixing pot of every nation. Meaning any pictures of people were varied, though mostly with people wore business attire.  Not dressed in shorts, t-shirts and sandals with my Beatles style / bowl hair cut so no skater looking guys like myself. Which interestingly enough I don’t see a lot of stock images that show case the people of India.  A little odd for a No 1 host of Southern India..

Manashosting has 30 different methods to obtain to contact them

A lot appears to have changed when I last looked at this host, as it used to have a blue background.  But the thing that truly bothers me despite not really having pictures of the local populace.  Is that while claiming to be the Number One host in South India, they do try to get international customers.  Most of which are offline or away during what amounts to bankers hours in the U.S.  How can any company that wants business from my country not offer support during my hours?

Manashosting.com a ISO 9001 company?

I am not to sure of that as there is nothing to validate it.  A search of Iso.org reveals nothing on this Manashosting.com.  Perhaps like much of the fake positive reviews this is another lie told by Manashosting.

Hostthenprofit.com – Gogvo.com’s spam partner

Hostthenprofit.com finds itself on my blog because they choose to spam a personal youtube account of mine. A friend of mine gave me grief because I had not approved their comment on one of my videos about world of warcraft.  Unlike hosting-reviews-exposed.com’s youtube account I don’t access my personal account regularly.  I decided to look through the account email and friends requests to find a rather lengthy email from hostthenprofit.com dated 9/6/2011.  I thought they were a host. Turns out they are more then that, and it does not resemble a host site. Its one of those buy my book and I will tell you how to make millions.  You get my book and you can buy a fancy house with a swimming pool, a fancy sports car.  You can even get a beautiful wife or husband.  You can get your child a pony every holiday.  But here is the question, can you name me ten people you personally know that make money off their program?  Ten people that have piles of money, a dream house with a swimming pool, that dream spouse, and a pony for their child every holiday.  I am going to take a chance and say you don’t.

During hard economic times, snake oils sales men are hard at work.  They know people are desperate, anything to keep the bill collector from taking their house away.  I was there myself.  Even almost tried a program called Destiny that sold phone cards in the 90’s.  What kept me from giving my hard earned money was that the state of Alabama would not allow their cards to work in the state. I kept trying to use the card to call my grandmother, but it constantly failed.  I figured once the card worked I would buy into the program.  This is of coarse is before I realized how bad I was at selling people on a product.  Fortunately the company fell apart, something about the head of the company taking off.

http://cageyconsumer.com/destiny.html

There is a lot of details missing on hostthenprofit.com’s site, such as a terms of service.  Where to go to report spam.  But there are a lot of “Top MLM and Internet Marketers”.

Looking at the site these “gurus” are trying to promote brings back bad memories where I worked for a MLM (multi level marketing) guru. Who pretty much drove me crazy when he wanted a back ground that was the same color as money.  Not to mention his web master was not to happy with me because I had done something he could not do, and that was create a bob@ email account.   Because he claimed that a three letter email address was impossible.  The graphics guy(me) could do what the webmaster could not.  Really it was a simple matter of asking Virtualis to do it, so technically I did not do it but I got the task done. It was not until I had to scan a book and edit it for the web that I realized “how to get rich” sites make only one person rich and that is the people that tell you to buy their book.  Not to mention the methods for getting rich such as advice to grandparents to take custody of their disabled grandchildren for tax benefits.

Hostthenprofit.com’s spam

thealexangroup sent you a video: “VIDEO – HostThenProfit.com-live.info | Affordable Web Hosting and Business Opp In One!”

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6. Top Internet-Marketing Training at GVO Academy…All Included!Review all the video presentation now at:
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http://hostthenprofit.com-l…
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Hostthenprofit.com has the sucks, scam, and reviews top positions in Google thanks to their affiliates

Doing a search on this site based on hostthenprofit.com sucks, hostthenprofit.com scam, or hostthenprofit.com reviews are all attempts by affiliates to drown out any attempts by others to who have legitimate grivences.  How do I know?  Take a look at the who is.

Now if only hostthenprofit.com had been running since March 11, 2011.  But lets take a look at what Alexa says about hostthenprofit.com:

I find it amazing that hostthenprofit.com just started last month but they have an Alexa score of 26,527.

As much they want hide any flaws that might come up, they made one mistake.  They have So Called Gurus, that did not drown out their negative feed back. So instead of working on reviewing review sites that have EIG sites that mailed out FTC compliance emails this month as I had planned.  This month will be about reviewing this site and gogov.com

My personal opinion of gogov.com and hostthenprofit is your better off trusting a host that appears on webhostingstuff and you know how much I don’t approve of them.

Deepahosting.com – Comment Spammer

Deepahosting.com joins other hosts and so called review sites for comment spamming on my blog.  The irony of it is this host decided to post a comment on post about another company that spams comments, Unlimitedgb.com.

http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/redemption/unlimitedgb-com-2.html

I am not going to be like hostingsthatsuck.com and whine about someone comment spamming on my blog.  Personally I welcome it as nothing inspires me to write like spam, and I really hate spam.

Granted it was only one comment, but look at it.  What did it have to do with my attempt to get a host with a serious problem with customer complaints and vagrant fake positive reviews?  Absolutely nothing, in their comment had anything to do with my post.

Then again their comment does not make a lot of sense.

So why did Deepahosting.com spam?

They did it for one reason and one reason only, and that was for a back link which helps to grow their search engine ranking. Maybe on the rare hope someone might follow the link and buy something from them.  I advise avoiding this company.

Honestly I don’t mind a host giving their two cents, for that matter they are more then welcome to put their site in the form area that lists site.  But having vagrant advertisement, is not welcome.  For that matter in the up coming months I am going to remove Google Adsense so I can remove all hosting ads off my site.  Granted that might bring my site income down to zero.   This is not the place for a host to advertise or attempt to get back links.  As you can see their comment was about “Reseller Hosting” which has nothing to do with what the blog post was about.

So how does Deepahosting.com suck

Here is the first thing that caught my attention: “Established in 2009 to provide advance , High technology web hosting Service to all internet service provider

Naturally when ever I see a company say they started on x date, I am very inclined to look at their whois information.  I can tell you now that Deepahost.com was not around in 2009, their whois information says:

   Updated Date: 14-aug-2011
   Creation Date: 07-jan-2010
   Expiration Date: 07-jan-2017

As I have repeatedly pointed out, creation date does not mean a start date.   But the way back machine says deepahost.com was up no later then February 2010.

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20100909113548*/http://www.deepahosting.com/

I really don’t get claiming that you have been a year longer then your whois information states, why not lie and say you have been in business since 1999?  Its not like the host made a single typo as they repeated this lie several times.

The big whopper of a lie that Deepahosting.com told is…..

They could not make their company older then 2009, yet….

Our global community is more than 10 million customer contracts strong.

http://deepahosting.com/about_us.php

So why do they have an Alexa Score of 205,837?  With that many clients they should be near Godaddy.com and Hostgator.com in terms of traffic score.  There would be no need to comment spam on my blog, which has a traffic score of 158,037.  Remember with Alexa you want a lower number.

Seriously if they really started back in 2009, there would be hosting companies begging to know the secrets of getting 3 million customers a year.

Nevermind that web-hosting-top.com  did not start getting reviews for deepahosting.com til July 24, 2011.

http://www.web-hosting-top.com/reviews/deepahosting.com “

Webhostingstuff.com only has one review and this was back in June 2011.

http://www.webhostingstuff.com/review/DeepaHosting.html “

Never mind some of the biggest names in hosting have far more reviews.

Deepahosting is world no:1 Hosting company selected by 15000 customers world wide .

I don’t quite understand what that means, as the one page says they have 10 million customer contracts strong company. Their spouting numbers without proof some how means your supposed to trust them.

Then there is the fuzzy refund policy at Deepahosting.com

Its rather unclear.  Between several pages its either 15 days, 30 days or 180 days.  At one point they state pro-rated refund, and by prorated they deduct your time used based on month to month pricing.  Honestly nothing wrong with that.  I did that myself, however what I did not do is try to confuse it with being a guarantee.  It seems the 180 days is more of a play on words, and not a point where guarantee should apply.

If you want a host from India, I suggest avoiding Deepahosting.  But for those that choose did spend time with this host I want to hear your experience.  Keep in mind if your going to provide positive feedback for deepahosting, I want a domain that is actually hosted with them.

Mindshark.ca – Seo Marketing Experts or Spammers? Part 2

With the second post for mindshark.ca I am going to explore their seo skills, which pretty much amount a weak show of smoke and mirrors. My first post can be found at http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/spammer/mindshark-ca.html.  I am still waiting for an email from a spam expert in regards to what mindshark.ca sent me.  Netfirms.com contacted me in less then 24 hours and has already indicated that they will shut mindshark.ca down if they spam again.  I have made them aware Mindshark.ca used a third party “over seas” to phish/harvest my email.   I know this has nothing to do with hosting companies or fake hosting review sites.  But I have to admit I am really out of the grove on writing blog content because of a rather hectic March,  and I am rather fired up by this spammer.  Not to mention I really hate spam.  That sentence alone does not tell you just how much I hate it.  So the next part brings me to the very heart of who they claim to be, which is seo experts.

Now keep in mind I am no seo expert.  Before I got into the hosting business I did graphics and simple html.  When I got into the hosting business I ran the billing,  purchasing, and staffing.  Someone else was in charge of tech support (Even though I seem to be the one that would knock heads around when there was a problem) and another was in charge of sales, advertising, site design and seo. I was no longer a graphics person.   The last was/is the person I contact when I need help in getting this site or any other site noticed.    There are also experts that he works with that I have to pay when I need their field of expertise.  It would be a mistake to employee my services for SEO, granted I know the people you would employee.  I also know people that have ethically questionable methods of obtaining seo.   Autoblogging, fake pings, spam commenting on blogs, article spinning, and other things that I think are no better then spam, as it clutters search engines such as Google with useless results.

So with my limited knowledge of SEO, let me tell you why you should not go with Mindshark.ca

When it comes to finding experts in the field of seo, you would expect their site to be a shinnying example of their skills. There are alot of tell tale signs that their seo knowledge is not what they claim.  Looking at  compete.com I find the most interesting thing, which is nothing.

I find it odd that despite having a Alexa score of 387,496 which is double mine (the lower the score the better), and 284 sites linking in ( I only have 32 according to Alexa).  Despite all those numbers Compete.com has no data.  Perhaps their domain whois might explain the problem:

I find a few intresting things about that.

1. Their site is a little over a year old.
2. They recently updated something on their domain.  Which might be that they just moved to netfirms.com.

So far the only thing they have me beaten on is  sites linking in on Alexa.com.

http://www.alexa.com/site/linksin/mindshark.ca

Intrestingly enough I find another site that also does seo.

Mindshark.ca’s video tells me exactly why you should not trust them

The quirky thing about this video thats hosted on youtube.com it seems to be the opening for a reputation cleansing service.  For which there is not an active website for: mindsharkdefense.com.  I guess Zamir Javer got to be an expert for a Canadian News station – Global News, where a model that had nude shots taken of her got leaked on the internet.  Zamir explains that the best way to cover it up:

  • “Hide” Negative Material by posting positive content
  • Increase Credibility = Blog on Professional Sites
  • Look Like an Expert
  • Ongoing monitor = Free Google Alert

So the problem is she has nude photos with her on the web.  In order to compete and put “positive” feed back,  she is going to have to go to professional sites that deal with photos.  After all which do you think is going to stick out when type in “*model’s name* photos”:

  1. The nude pics?
  2. Her attempts to talk about jogging?

So that means that she would have to write things in regards to “*model’s name* photos” on professional websites, and every other term that shows up when you try to search for the nude photos.  She might have problems if she had to deal with trying to compete with the term “*models name* nude photos”.

But here is what I find interesting about the video, all of the people that have posted postive feed back on Youtube.com seem to have only created their user name to comment, rate postivly, and to make this their favorite video.   All of which was done the same day they created the account.  Every user that has comment on this videolooks like this.

After which these accounts have zero activity.

Frankly I am surprised they did not use a service that fakes your comments and views.   It would have made it far less obvious.   Or better yet have all those over 450 seo experts comment and view the video with some real youtube accounts.

Also I did comment on the video, and as you can see I put the one negative vote on their video.  Unfortunately my comment was deleted.  I guess they did not like that I drew attention to the fact that the comments were not real.

Then there are the sites that link in to Mindshark.ca

While I am not going to point you to the link at Sharenator.com that links to Mindshark.ca, I find it interestingly that hosting-reviews-exposed.com has 1 of every 117,647 internet visitors.

http://www.sharenator.com/w/hosting-reviews-exposed.com

Many of the sites that are part of the back links, linking in, and what ever else seem to be a combination of sites like this, some sites that tell you what you can do your site.

http://www.woorank.com/en/www/hosting-reviews-exposed.com

Which tells me I need to talk to one of those seo experts I mentioned.

Then their is a site that tells me I have a terrible domain name: http://websiteshadow.com/hosting-reviews-exposed.com

Some sites like http://qeoz.com/1-hosting-reviews-exposed-com show nothing you could not find through going to Alexa.com directly

Then there are sites that I consider spam like http://feeds.joe.to/recent/page-2.  While I find that on second page of search engine results for “mindshark.ca”.

Here is the first thing to show up on the second page of their search engine results.

“Once again I did not opt-in or authorize use of this email address for their marketing / spam purposes.”

http://www.searchengine-marketingsoftware.com/blog/mindshark-ca-%E2%80%93-irvine-web-design-experts-or-spammers-part-1-hosting/

I am almost tempted to believe they just took part of my content and re-spinned it.

I have yet to find any of what Zamir recommends of posting on professional blogs.

Now to see if 450 Mindshark experts can hide my negative review.

Mindshark.ca – Seo Marketing Experts or Spammers? Part 1

Mindshark.ca seems to think this is a business.  Keep in mind it took more then 3 years for this site to make enough money to cover its own monthly bill.  So far my experience has been the people either come here to look for a host or to complain about a host.   The most bizzare request is from hosts that don’t use fake reviews,  is to get me to do a review on them.  You would think the last person they would ask to write something would not be me – the guy that has bad things to say about the very hosts that he uses.  But in the end the people that are looking for a host are dissapointed because I don’t recommend any one, and the people that come here to complain are not inclined to buy.

So why the rage with Mindshark.ca?

Back when I first started I had asked a friend to set me up a contact form, I am not known for my non-graphic web skills which are still lacking, requiring me to pay for professionals.  Keep in mind I have stated this site makes enough to pay for its hosting, but its not paying for experts I bring in to assist me.  Anyway getting back to that contact form.   It was set up to send to a gmail account, one in which only my YouTube account was sending mail to.  So after adding the contact form there is only one way to get my gmail account, and that is use by the contact form.  Mindshark.ca used a third party “over seas” to phish/harvest my email.  After a contact with me they added me to their mailing list.  Once again I did not opt-in or authorize use of this email address for their marketing / spam purposes.   This week I got tired of them sending email to the gmail account I use exclusively for hosting-reviews-exposed.com.  Here is the comment I got when I gave them 24 hours to remove my email or suffer a review and complaint to netfirms (funny didn’t I just do a post about them last month http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/endurance-international-group/netfirms-com.html).  Here is the response I got this response from Zamir of Mindshark.ca:

You are off the list. Cheers 🙂

FYI you did opt in on August 9th   thx

———————————————-

Zamir Javer
Mindshark Marketing
1.877.MSHARK  1 xtn 730
www.mindshark.ca

My response:

Bullshit, I have the emails to prove that your full of it.  I will be filing a complaint with netfirms and my own review of your site.

Yes thats right, I used profanity.  I did not opt in, I did not authorize them to use my email to spam or market to.  Frankly I was a little tame in my response.  But I am not about to be treated like I “forgot” that I signed up for their spam.

I get the following response from Zamir of mindshark.ca,

What emails….please send so we can review.

My response:

You can review them with everyone else on my blog.  Your company contacted me by my forum when I responded to someone in your company you added my email without my permission to your mailing list.  Hence you are spamming.   Benjamin of hosting-reviews-exposed.com

Zamir of Mindshark.ca response:

I have reviewed your site.  You are an extortionist company like ripoffreport etc.

We are an internet marketing firm.   We have not done anything wrong.  If you have further questions please direct them to me and I would be happy to respond and address any concerns.

Yes I am a terrible person, I told him I would do a review and report him to his upstream provider if they did not remove my email from their mailing a list.  A email that I did not authorize / opt in for them to spam me.  But why did they bring up ripoffreport?

http://www.ripoffreport.com/computer-marketing-companies/mindshark-marketing/mindshark-marketing-mindshark-f2ed7.htm

Its a bit dificult to read, but it appears that this person also had their email harvest and on top of that their cell phone number.

Ripoffreport.com may very well be extorting, after all they do offer a paid service to deal with a complaint.  I on the other hand only offer a chance to plead your case on my blog, I offer no service to clean up a complaint.  But I guess on the surface because I placed a few ads in hopes of re-cooping my costs, it appears I am in the business of extortion.

So my response:

Zamir,

Your a bit full of yourself, but I have to wonder what ripoffreport has on your company.   Thanks for the material.  Your company did harvest my email through my contact page.   Your an idiot and so is David Abramovici  (the dumbass that thought it would be a good idea to add my email to your list) to think I had my sights on your company as your not a host or a hosting review site.  But I really passionately hate spam, and you have the nerve to say I opted into your list.  You can call me an extortionist because you glanced at my site, but the  truth is you have no idea who I am.

By the way netfirms is moving to the U.S.

Regards,
Benjamin

Here is where Zamir of mindshark.ca admits it without knowing it that they are spamming:

Yes I know netfirms is moving.  Lol I have no clue what this conversation is about any longer.

Anyways….we do use a lead generation company from overseas.

IT seems maybe they are the ones that did something on your site,  If you can forward whatever info they sent we can review to try and forward it and put a stop to this.

We hate spam with a passion as well and do not engage in any of it.

thx

I have my reason for mentioning netfirms, which some time I might explain to him.  But here is the point where Mindshark.ca admits they are not the marketing experts that they claim to be because they used a “a lead generation company from overseas“.  Translation they did not gather the emails themselves, nor did they make sure they were opt-in.  Their is no integrity to the list, and so far their seems like two complaints that prove this.

Just to be clear if you purchase a list from a third party to gather your contacts, that does not free you from spam complaints.  If anything its more daming.

My response:

Zamir,

Now your telling me that your not even sure if people have been opted in because you used a third party.  When I owned hosting companies I did not accept that as an excuse.  For that matter if they could not prove their system was double  opt-in after a spam complaint their account was shut down.  Seriously if I were you I would get rid of your existing mailing list and start from scratch.  After all you sent your mailouts to me when I did not request or opt-in to your service.  Nor would I have reason to do so, if I needed marking assistance, which is not something I need for this site I would contact my previous business partners.

I am not going to send you the emails that were sent to me, you can find it when it hits my blog along with these wonderful emails you keep sending me, sorry but I don’t take kindly to being called an extorsionist.  After all the only thing I asked for was to be removed from your list.

As for what netfirms moving has to do with this conversation…….

Regards,

Benjamin

Zamir of mindshark.ca tries to deflect the facts:

Thanks for your email.  Again as I stated earlier.  We get hit with spam ourselves and we do not engage in any spam ourselves.   If there is any email or information you feel is spam related we would be happy to review it.  You are in our system as an optin from a third party lead source.

I understand you business relies on this type of thing to keep you busy with posts etc.  However I am extending our offer to assist you in whatever you are looking for.  If your intention is to keep responding with vulgarities please refrain.

However if you do have any requests for information or would like us to review any matter we are more than happy to help“.

I would like to think that my last response to mindshark.ca covers that:

Zamir,

If this was a business it would have failed miserably, its taken 3 years to finale start paying for its own hosting.  A post on your site would go against the grain of what my site is about.  But you do not realize that a post about your site has nothing to do with webhosting.  Though I guess I can work on the angle of how netfirms will deal with you once I send my complaint.  But the truth is, my feed back on hosts that use fake review sites discourages people from buying, a wonderful business model when you want people to buy.   Coming up with assumptions that I do what I do just for money is at best a poor defense for your spamming me.

Your receiving spam, has nothing to do with the fact that you spammed me. I am doing a post because you have indeed spammed me, I did not -REPEAT- I did not authorize or opted into mail outs under this email address.   Therefore any mail out sent to me from you is SPAM.  Use of a  third party does not liberate you from any spam complaints, as clearly the netfirms terms of service indicates.

As for vulgarities, there were none in my last response.  Should you not have stated that when I called you an idiot, or when I said what you were saying was bullshit, or that David Abramovici is a dumbass.  The world can see exactly how many vulgarities I have used which has been very restrained.

Looking forward to another email where you defend the use of mail outs to people that did not opt in to your list, because you used a third party “over seas” to collect peoples emails.  While telling me that I am being vulgar and extorting you.  By the way if I was extorting you I would had asked for alot more then removing me from your list.  Your claim that I opted in has been rejected.  Further more the use of a third party to get emails has proven that your mailing list is tainted with other people that did not opt in.

You can of coarse continue to lay the blame on me by stating

  1. I opted in.  (which you have already shed doubt on this claim of yours).
  2. I am an extortionist (for which the only thing I asked for was to be removed from your list).
  3. I am doing a article for my business.(despite it being totally off topic for my site).
  4. Complain about my limited vulgarities. (which honestly who would not be vulgar with a spammer).

And you can suffer more complaints then just mine, as I will be providing an outlet for other people that experienced the same thing as me.  Not to mention information how to register their complaints.

Or you can start your list from scratch and make sure you double opt in your contacts.

Regards,

Benjamin

Because I typed this from  my phone I over repeated some details, but I think it serves the purpose of getting my point across.  Anyway I did not hear from Zamir of Mindshark.ca again.

Do you have a spam complaint against Mindshark.ca?

First off I enter the domain mindshark.ca into http://centralops.net/co/DomainDossier.aspx

To find out where mindshark.ca is hosting in most cases the network whois will tell you where to send abuse complaints.

The whois tells me that they are with netfirms, it also tells me they are just a little over a year old I will have fun with this on another post where I will discuss mindsharks.ca’s seo skills.  But another thing is mindshark.ca appears to have recently moved to netfirms.com.

So if mindshark.ca harvested / phished for  your email like they did mine, I suggest sending the mailout they sent you to abuse@netfirms.com.

Your also more then welcome to place your own complaints in the comments area of this post.

Two more posts on mindshark.ca are in the works to show the email,  I am currently waiting on netfirms and I am hoping to get a contact from a spam expert before I do the second post on mindshark.